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Lis Elfwench
11-24-2006, 02:44 PM
Just discovered a movie adaptation of one of my *very* favorite novels is in production! ::yay::


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0467200/

Jayde
11-24-2006, 04:59 PM
that sounds like it could be interesting.


I want to get that book, along with the others she wrote. Almost bought it monday, but wound up with "A Rose for the Crown" by Anne Easter Smith instead. Next time I'm going to get it though.

surlywench
11-24-2006, 05:25 PM
I'd rent "The Virgin Queen" from your local library before you spend money on it. It's a fairly fast and loose portrait of Elizabeth - to the point of making her out to be some scheming half-wit minx who was totally dependent on Dudley for *EVERY*THING*.

It made me want to burn it.

Lis Elfwench
11-24-2006, 08:33 PM
I'd rent "The Virgin Queen" from your local library before you spend money on it. It's a fairly fast and loose portrait of Elizabeth - to the point of making her out to be some scheming half-wit minx who was totally dependent on Dudley for *EVERY*THING*.

It made me want to burn it.

Yeah, I wasn't fond of that one either. Actually, I don't really care overmuch for *anything* else Philippa Gregory has written - but I do adore "The Other Boleyn Girl". There's a sequel of sorts coming out next year, written about a different wife of Henry's, I guess. I'm hoping for good things from that one!

surlywench
11-25-2006, 09:37 PM
Yeah, I wasn't fond of that one either. Actually, I don't really care overmuch for *anything* else Philippa Gregory has written - but I do adore "The Other Boleyn Girl". There's a sequel of sorts coming out next year, written about a different wife of Henry's, I guess. I'm hoping for good things from that one!


There's The Constant Princess out right now about Katherine of Aragon's early years...sort of a pre-quel right there. I wonder which wife she'll do next?
I liked The Queen's Fool, since she didn't slaughter too many personalities...

But TOB totally takes my vote as my favorite book.

Isabelle Warwicke
11-26-2006, 02:41 AM
*gasp* Did you see the cast list?!?!?! Yes. I'll be seeing this one.

http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/64/65/38t.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/rg/title-tease/tinyhead/name/nm0000204/)
Natalie Portman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000204/) .... Anne Boleyn
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Scarlett Johansson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424060/) .... Mary Boleyn
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Eric Bana (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0051509/) .... King Henry VIII rest of cast listed alphabetically: http://www.imdb.com/images/b.gifBenedict Cumberbatch (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1212722/)

http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/22/81/89t.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/rg/title-tease/tinyhead/name/nm2054096/)
Christopher Fosh (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2054096/) .... Nobleman
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Tiffany Freisberg (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1571048/) .... Mary Talbothttp://www.imdb.com/images/b.gif
Rue McClanahan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001516/) .... Lady Rochfordhttp://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/02/77/71/10t.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/rg/title-tease/tinyhead/name/nm2173711/)
Jade Ramsey (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2173711/) .... Noble Twin
http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/34/32/71/10t.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/rg/title-tease/tinyhead/name/nm2125050/)
Nikita Ramsey (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2125050/) .... Noble Twin
http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/73/45/20/10t.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/rg/title-tease/tinyhead/name/nm1519666/)
Eddie Redmayne (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1519666/) .... William Stafford
http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/12/36/12t.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/rg/title-tease/tinyhead/name/nm0000218/)
Kristin Scott Thomas (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000218/) .... Lady Elizabeth
http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/34/24/21/10t.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/rg/title-tease/tinyhead/name/nm0836343/)
Jim Sturgess (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0836343/) .... George Boleyn
http://www.imdb.com/images/b.gifAna Torrent (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0868479/) .... Katharine of Aragon (attached)

LadyLaura
11-26-2006, 08:56 AM
Jayde:

I have a copy of The Other Boleyn Girl, if you are going to King's Feast, I can lend it to you. Not sure if you are going?

Laura

Jayde
11-26-2006, 03:02 PM
Oh goodness, yes I'm going ::yay::

As a matter of fact Crimson and I are going to be heading out around nnoon on sat to check into the hotel. We'll probably veg there for a bit, then get ready and head over to the feast.

Bring it if you remember to. I don't know when I'd be able to get it back to you though (short of waiting for faire season to start again) lol

LadyRadar
11-26-2006, 06:36 PM
I don't know. I couldn't really get through the book, so I don't know if I'll go see this movie or not. I prefer to read the book first for comparison.

LadyLaura
11-26-2006, 07:02 PM
Jayde:

I'll bring it! There will be events prior to the official start of faire season anyhow. Winterfeast was a good time last year, I'm planning to attend that, although I'm not sure where it will be this time. I heard NOT at the casino again. Too bad, because that was fun.

See you soon!

DoņaNina
11-27-2006, 12:20 PM
OMG, I -love- that book!! But not so much as I'm loving "The Constant Princess" right now. Catherine of Aragon PWNS Anne and the other (forget her name) Bolyn. They were pawns of their families, Catherine did what she had to freaking do and never gave up her name till her dying day. MAN she's my freaking hero. And so is Mary, to a lesser extent. I'm not all about burning heretics, but that bitch had some BALLS.

surlywench
11-27-2006, 01:43 PM
OMG, I -love- that book!! But not so much as I'm loving "The Constant Princess" right now. Catherine of Aragon PWNS Anne and the other (forget her name) Bolyn. They were pawns of their families, Catherine did what she had to freaking do and never gave up her name till her dying day. MAN she's my freaking hero. And so is Mary, to a lesser extent. I'm not all about burning heretics, but that bitch had some BALLS.


I don't know....while I have great amounts of respect for Katherine, I can't say that I agree with Anne being categorized as a 'pawn'. Mary Boleyn? Yes, largely. Tho she did finally stand up and say 'enough!' when she married Stafford. The extant letter from her citing her reasons for marrying for love is a very moving work.

Anne powered her own rise and fall, her family merely cleared the road as much as they could so long as she was in favor with Henry. Once it was clear she no longer had the King, they did what they could to distance themselves from her. Without question, she acted badly on a number of occasions, and her treatment of Katherine and Mary is unforgivable. I think that's why I have so much love for her. Katherine was sooo saintly, I can't relate to her. Mary was deeeeeply religious, and again, while there's enormous respect, I have trouble 'feelin' her', you know? But Anne was a great deal like me, she had a temper, she was a flirt, she behaved as she would. She got what she wanted, and she made mistakes.

Really, all of Henry's wives are women deserving of respect....except poor little Katherine Howard...she was woefully unprepared for what happened.
But Anne is the one with whom I feel the most connection on a human level. I don't think she can be called a 'pawn' in any way.

DoņaNina
11-27-2006, 01:53 PM
Thing about the Bolyn girls was that they were used by their families. And if she wasn't? I have no respect for a woman who seduces another woman's husband. Even though Henry was mostly at fault, the ass.. I honestly don't think Anne had much of a choice in what she did. Even so, Catherine was a true queen. She ruled, she helped with the army, she freaking DID shit. Kinda like Liz but she had a husband to handle and popped out kids every few years.

Stupid lame-ass British healthcare of the era.. imagine how much alcohol they drank when they were pregnant. It's amazing half of the royal family wasn't born with missing limbs.

AnnaFaerie
11-27-2006, 02:37 PM
First remember that this book is Historical FICTION.

Read other books before trashing any of the figures involved in this tragedy.

Mary Boleyn was not an innocent that was used by her family. They had nothing to do with the fact that she slept around in France. Good lord! She was so wild there that she was asked to leave the court. She was sent home to England. Where she took up with Henry.

Her family did benifit from her being with Henry, but I wouldn't say they "used" her.

I've been reading about Henry, Anne and Catherine (and the other women in his life) since the 70's. There isn't much I don't know...in my not so humble opinion.....about the Boleyn situation.

Please don't take this book as fact....it isn't.

DoņaNina
11-27-2006, 03:00 PM
Oh dude I know it's not fact, but I still don't think that it was all Anne's doing. She had politicians and family helping her allong the way. No woman could have done what she did on her own. Catherine needed help too, even. And yeah, the more I learn about Anne, the more I detest her.. dunno why, she rubs me the wrong way.

surlywench
11-27-2006, 04:17 PM
First remember that this book is Historical FICTION.

Read other books before trashing any of the figures involved in this tragedy.

Mary Boleyn was not an innocent that was used by her family. They had nothing to do with the fact that she slept around in France. Good lord! She was so wild there that she was asked to leave the court. She was sent home to England. Where she took up with Henry.

Her family did benifit from her being with Henry, but I wouldn't say they "used" her.



I'm aware that PG's book is fiction. My opinions of Mary and Anne and the rest are based on my own reading of just about everything I can get my little hands on. From authors who argue for both sides of the fence.

The Howards/Boleyn's certainly didn't react with any great outrage when Mary was being 'courted' by Henry, they happily took whatever came their way from both her and Anne's courtships. That, to me, constitutes a certain amount of usury on their parts. While that can be put down to the attitudes of the time in general, it's still using a human being for material gain.

surlywench
11-27-2006, 04:22 PM
Thing about the Bolyn girls was that they were used by their families. And if she wasn't? I have no respect for a woman who seduces another woman's husband. .... Stupid lame-ass British healthcare of the era.. imagine how much alcohol they drank when they were pregnant. It's amazing half of the royal family wasn't born with missing limbs.


Anne wasn't seducing 'another woman's husband', she was seducing The King. There's a miles wide difference between Henry, husband of Catherine, and Henry King of England, France, Ireland and Wales, Defender of the Faith etc..


And yeah, tho the small beer they drank was pretty watered down, it's pretty damn surprising any of them had functional brains. Of course all the fasting and such didn't help any either.

DoņaNina
11-27-2006, 04:28 PM
There's a miles wide difference between Henry, husband of Catherine, and Henry King of England, France, Ireland and Wales, Defender of the Faith etc..


Eh, not to me.. Bill Gates of Microsoft is still some woman's husband. As much as I'd love the power being his wife would give me, he's STILL some other broad's husband.

Lady Sarah
11-27-2006, 04:34 PM
Eh, not to me.. Bill Gates of Microsoft is still some woman's husband. As much as I'd love the power being his wife would give me, he's STILL some other broad's husband.

The difference comes in this: seducing another woman's husband is an act of infidelity and either romance or revenge.

Seducing the King is a power play. Power is an aphrodesiac, not to mention that if one bends a King to one's wiles, then the benefits are off.the.chain! If Anne simply wanted the King's attention and love, I'm sure that he'd've been happy to keep her as a mistress while he tried to sire a son with his wife, the Queen.

There is a mile of difference between love and politics. And try to show a little respect for them, hm? Even if you don't like them, you can respect them for what they are - Kings and Queens.

DoņaNina
11-27-2006, 04:54 PM
There is a mile of difference between love and politics. And try to show a little respect for them, hm? Even if you don't like them, you can respect them for what they are - Kings and Queens.

I can respect the jobs they did, but they people they were is a different story. Kinda like Clinton. Dude did a good job, but we prolly don't see eye to eye when it comes to fidelity. Now, Henry VIII was so much of an ass that it kinda overshadows the things he did as a king. Catherine, she's freaking perfect in my eyes. A perfect example of a monarch. Bred to rule, stuck to her guns, a freaking saint to the people. Nobody can match her, to me.

AnnaFaerie
11-27-2006, 07:37 PM
I'm aware that PG's book is fiction. My opinions of Mary and Anne and the rest are based on my own reading of just about everything I can get my little hands on. From authors who argue for both sides of the fence.

The Howards/Boleyn's certainly didn't react with any great outrage when Mary was being 'courted' by Henry, they happily took whatever came their way from both her and Anne's courtships. That, to me, constitutes a certain amount of usury on their parts. While that can be put down to the attitudes of the time in general, it's still using a human being for material gain.

Oh...my dear...I'm sorry. I wasn't talking about what you said. I think your attitude is pretty right on about the subject. I should have made myself clearer.

surlywench
11-28-2006, 12:49 PM
Oh...my dear...I'm sorry. I wasn't talking about what you said. I think your attitude is pretty right on about the subject. I should have made myself clearer.


LOL - k.

LdyJhawk
11-30-2006, 01:28 AM
http://www.natalieportman.com/picstemp/TheOtherBoleynGirl.jpg

..the costumes are making me sad...

Lis Elfwench
11-30-2006, 02:14 PM
http://www.natalieportman.com/picstemp/TheOtherBoleynGirl.jpg

..the costumes are making me sad...


What the HECK kind of fabric are they using there???? That is UGLY!

Lady Sarah
11-30-2006, 02:19 PM
looks to me like they're mixing Tudor with Saxon. I mean, really, the lacing across the bodice and the sleeves & cuffs of the gowns reek of the Cranach stylings.

as for the fabrics.. looks like silk velvet and probably a high end designer silk damask. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell is going on with the shoulders and back of the bodice. It looks like it swoops from the shoulder in a high back across the neckline.

tsk tsk tsk... I get that movie costumers are going for a certain "look", and that some of them do a little research for the costumes... but really, I wish they'd ask those who know more about period costuming to make it at least look more like it. You can do miles with fabrics and colors even if you get the structure spot on. *sigh*

DoņaNina
11-30-2006, 02:46 PM
Ghaaaaaah... did it have to be Portman?!?! >< It's only going to make me hate the character. Goshdarnit, I hate Natalie Portman..

And I'm not a costume expert, but the fabric seems a bit too shiny. I dunno, could be just me.

BronxGirl
11-30-2006, 02:56 PM
Here are some pictures of me as AB. I add bits to the outfit every year. Anne is one of my childhood idols.

The hood was made by a friend using pictures of Anne as a basis. The little one is my neice. She was a Ballerina Princess.

I loved the book, as well as 'The Queen's Fool'. Might see the movie, don't know yet.

DoņaNina
11-30-2006, 03:14 PM
The Queen's Fool was bad-ass. Go Bloody Mary. :ilu:

DoņaNina
11-30-2006, 03:21 PM
Can this film have spoilers if you already read the book or know the story? If so, don't read this if you don't like spoilers.















So apparently, the script isn't looking good. Mary Tudor isn't mentioned at all, and there is an honest-to-goodness sex scene with Anne and her brother. I hope they change this, it seems kinda.. eh, at least to me. It'll prolly still be a good movie, but I'm getting a bit iffy.

AnnaFaerie
11-30-2006, 05:38 PM
*slaps forehead* Good god what is that style? They need to kill the costumer now.

BronxGirl
11-30-2006, 05:44 PM
*slaps forehead* Good god what is that style? They need to kill the costumer now.

Where's Anne's 'B' necklace? You would think that they would at least get that right? But I am glad that Natalie Portman has dark hair.

The necklace is next on my list for my outfit, but not dying my hair black.

surlywench
11-30-2006, 05:49 PM
Where's Anne's 'B' necklace? You would think that they would at least get that right? But I am glad that Natalie Portman has dark hair.

The necklace is next on my list for my outfit, but not dying my hair black.


meh, she had an "A" a "B" and an "AB".

those outfits are AWFUL.
I'm going to go die a little bit inside now.

BronxGirl
11-30-2006, 05:54 PM
meh, she had an "A" a "B" and an "AB".

those outfits are AWFUL.
I'm going to go die a little bit inside now.

::doh::Oh, great! Now I need to get 3 necklaces as well as the new dress! I need to get into jewelry design.

LdyJhawk
11-30-2006, 06:21 PM
The outfits are painful..and what made me cringe first were the french hoods. I've seen hoods running around faire of better construction than that.

surlywench
11-30-2006, 06:39 PM
The outfits are painful..and what made me cringe first were the french hoods. I've seen hoods running around faire of better construction than that.


I'd been trying to wipe the image from my brain.
thanks for bringing it up again.
no, it's cool.

i didn't need all those neural pathways anyway.....

;oP

Lis Elfwench
11-30-2006, 07:04 PM
You ladies are depressing me....DonaNina, the script sounds horrid. *shudders* Well, at least if I see it now, I'll be prepared. The worst thing is being all excited about a film and discovering how bad it is IN THE THEATER!!!

And here I was hoping to pick up some good inspiration for my own Anne Boleyn garb I want to sew for next Halloween. Doesn't look like *that's* going to happen! ::blech::

Laurensa
12-10-2006, 09:57 AM
http://www.natalieportman.com/picstemp/TheOtherBoleynGirl.jpg

..the costumes are making me sad...

The costumes in the book made me screech, and throw the book across the room. I love to keep my books, and re-read them, but that one went straight to the Used Paperback Shop. I really, really disliked it.

Dedeley
12-15-2006, 06:02 AM
I have read all of Phillipa Gregory's books, and don't like them. I know they are fiction, but it's really biased fiction. Or maybe I don't like them because I'm an Anne Boleyn, Queen Elizabeth fan myself, and Gregory seems very "anti" both of them from her writing.

My personal favorite book on the "wives" is written by Antonia Fraser. "The Autobiography of Henry VIII" is also an interesting read of historical fiction.

Anna Fairy, as usual, I'm with you on this one!