Diana Gabaldon's Outlander contains SPOILERS [Archive]

emalia

08-13-2003, 01:45 PM

Ok.. So I have decided.. I am in love with Jamie..

But seriously.. GREAT GREAT book.. LOVED IT!!! Now on to the second one..

So when do I get that Higlander I ordered??? You know.. The one that came with the book?? I thought that they were supposed to ship together!

AnnaFaerie

08-13-2003, 02:05 PM

Ahhhhh.....Jamie!

I love these books. A friend got me hook two years ago and I read them through twice without stopping.

Don't you enjoy the way she writes? I'm on the second book right now (sixth or seventh reading) and there is a part in it that is so funny! Remember me when you get to this part......Who...who? She is so discriptive in the way she writes.

There are at least 2 more books (there are 5 so far) in this series.....eventually.

Her new book comes out in Nov....tis about Sir John Gray...you haven't gotten to him yet.

Enjoy!

Mermaid

08-13-2003, 02:07 PM

mmmmmmmmmmm Jamie............
thanks for distracting me at work!!!

Mermaid

Bonnie

08-13-2003, 02:28 PM

I can't WAIT for the new book. My sister turned me on to these books a couple years ago, and I gave her the dirtiest look when she handed them to me. Romance novels? Debbie, PLEASE!!!! gag.

She insisted, and I am soooo glad she did. Marvelous books. And Jamie? ::thud:: (I have to stop keeling over in lust)

ambar

08-13-2003, 04:08 PM

Actually, the latest published is the pre-civil war book. I just received mine last week from Amazon.....

Mairi the Herbwench

08-13-2003, 04:51 PM

Ummm - it's pre-revolutionary, not pre- civil. Minor point, but about 100 years difference... Claire might be a time traveler, but as far as I know, neither are particulary long lived. If you're referring to "The Fiery Cross".

I'm going home now. I'm getting too picky.

ambar

08-14-2003, 09:59 AM

My mind was half gone yesterday and I had a 50/50 shot. I suppose I guessed incorrectly. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

emalia

08-14-2003, 12:06 PM

Sigh.. I haven't gotten to start the 2nd one.. but hey.. You never know.. I will probably still be in lust, or at least infatuated...

08-14-2003, 12:09 PM

I purchased Outlander a while ago, but have not gotten around to it yet. What is the order of her books?

How many are there?

Thanks!!!

Muffin

Mairi the Herbwench

08-14-2003, 12:29 PM

There are 5 - starting with:
Outlander
Dragonfly in Amber
Voyager
Drums of Autumn
The Fiery Cross

And yet to come - at least 3 more. Her official website is http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~gatti/gabaldon/gabaldon.html

Not that I'm a fan or anything... :oops:

08-14-2003, 01:24 PM

why thank you!!!
Know I know so I will start the first one since I already owned it. I was always hesitant to start it since i knew it was a series but never knew if it was the first...
the copy I have never listed if she had any other books!

Muffin

AnnaFaerie

08-14-2003, 01:49 PM

There are going to be at least 7 books in the OUTLANDER series. The author has also said there will be "spinoff" books about some of the people in the series...such as Sir John Gray (this one is due out in November), Master Raymond and Jamie's parents, Brian and Ellen...I think. I really enjoy these books and tell everyone I know to read them if they get the chance.

KyraAnne

08-15-2003, 10:20 PM

I agree with everyone else. I know that's silly to post, but I have been hooked on the series for years. I read Outlander a couple years or so after it was published and have been hooked and watching for sequels ever since. I don't even want to think about how many times I have read the books. I highly recommend the series. :)

LynneD

08-18-2003, 09:37 AM

Oh, geez, I adore the 'Outlandish' series. I have to admit a lot of the "people watching" I do on my subway commute is spent looking for Jamie. :)

I have to say that I liked the earliest books best -- Outlander is my favorite, followed pretty much in series order. I think the last one, "The Fiery Cross," was in serious need of a good editor. That seems to happen a lot with successful authors -- they're edited pretty well in the beginning, but once they've proved they can sell books the publisher adopts a "hands-off" policy -- not always A Good Thing. :wink: Honestly, if I wanted to read about breastfeeding or the contents of dirty diapers, I'd read What to Expect When You're Expecting!!!!

Holly

09-28-2003, 10:57 AM

OH how yummy!! I love those books.. i have bought all of them and am waiting for the next one...
and I do agree with the editing issue.. she does drone a bit during this book.. kinda like the characters are getting older. :haloslip:

HUGS
Holly

Lady Alasse

09-28-2003, 09:43 PM

I just got done with the first one and I liked it! I finished it in recored time LOL although i think I could have done without Capt. Randell's infatuation with Jamie! :shivers: anyway I put on hold the Firy cross and can't wait to read that :)

emalia

09-29-2003, 07:01 AM

NO!!! don't read firey cross yet!!!!!

Read Dragon Fly in Amber.. that is the next book.. Followed by Voyager!! I just started Voyager!! It is pretty darned good!

Mairi the Herbwench

09-29-2003, 09:11 AM

I agree. This is a series that needs to be read in order to fully follow the story - it is linear. DON'T junp to the "Fiery Cross"!

emalia

09-29-2003, 10:13 AM

Exactly what she said!! :D

However, I would like to know if the Jamie Fraser Store is open yet... I would like to have my own Jamie Fraser thank you!!! Where do I apply?

gardo

09-29-2003, 01:34 PM

Ok has anybody else come to the conclusion that Jamie is Batman!

I just got hooked on the books, My wife to be had been after me to read these for the last 3 years and finally to stop her badgering I told her I would read the first book before the wedding that was 4 weeks ago now I'm on Voyager and gettin married on Sat. 8) Damn you women for being right so often :snicker:

emalia

09-29-2003, 01:52 PM

Lady Alasse

09-29-2003, 03:04 PM

NO!!! don't read firey cross yet!!!!!

Read Dragon Fly in Amber.. that is the next book.. Followed by Voyager!! I just started Voyager!! It is pretty darned good!

I just put it on hold at the library I have the other I think four books up in my room and I have started Dragon Fly in Amber. Oh yea speaking of scotsmen :) My sister is in Love with Billy Boyd from Lord of the rings! :) LOL

gardo

09-30-2003, 08:53 AM

hehehehehe Yes... Jamie IS BATMAN!!!

I am at that part in the book too.. 101 is the page I am on as of now.. How fast do you read???

I think that it is GREAT that you are reading these books.. I only know one other guy that has read them.. But then again he also read Anne Rice's Beauty series...

I just started Chapter 24 page 303 It took me longer to read Dragon Fly in Amber because there was so much detail that i wanted to take my time 8)
I Love these Books and Diana Gabaldon has got to be one of the best writers But what is her infatuation with nipples???

emalia

09-30-2003, 10:19 AM

I just started Chapter 24 page 303 It took me longer to read Dragon Fly in Amber because there was so much detail that i wanted to take my time 8)
I Love these Books and Diana Gabaldon has got to be one of the best writers But what is her infatuation with nipples???

I am not sure really.. but I will see if I can figure anything out this book.. Perhaps she is a closet erotica writer and just can't get through a book with no nipples.. =D

As I spent the evening with Front Page, I am only on page 130.. But I shall catch up with you here soon.. unless you finish the book..

Goldie Boffinhorn

09-30-2003, 03:33 PM

Thanks for the info! I'm going to run right out to get these books!

Katarina

Saucy Ria

09-30-2003, 06:19 PM

Lady Alasse

09-30-2003, 08:12 PM

Any tips besides reading them in correct order??

Well all i can say is be prepared to laugh your butt off in places :) I want to go to scotland now because my compleate lack of tact will be less noticable there. :) I learned that from the books LOL

Bonnie

09-30-2003, 10:33 PM

As far as tips go, I would say to remember to notice even apparently small or meaningless details...such as the ghostly scotsman in the very beginning, or names of individuals... if you do, the story becomes much more rich and ethereal. Also, DO buy them, not borrow, cause you will want to read them more than once.

Lady Alasse

10-01-2003, 01:05 AM

such as the ghostly scotsman in the very beginning,

Call me really stupid but who in the heck was that? I am on the forth chapter of the second book and I still don't know who that was. LOL

Bonnie

10-01-2003, 06:15 AM

Go back, re-read the exerpt, and if the description doesn't tell you, flat out, I'll tell you.

Kinda cool. And rather sad.

emalia

10-01-2003, 06:53 AM

Ding Ding Ding Bonnie.. We have a winner!! I figured it out about mid way through the first book..

The first book made me weep.. The second book made me Ball.. I can only imagine what this third book will do to me.. I am expecting an all out wail!!

gardo

10-01-2003, 08:22 AM

Go back, re-read the exerpt, and if the description doesn't tell you, flat out, I'll tell you.

Kinda cool. And rather sad.

Vera true lass. It just goes to show that somethings may just indeed transend time and space 8)

gardo

10-01-2003, 08:23 AM

gardo

10-01-2003, 08:27 AM

Awwww geeeeeze...... looks like i'll have to get me rogue to take me back to the bookstore. I hate to say it but i have not read these books but you all have made me terribly curious. Any tips besides reading them in correct order??

Well hun also read them with tissue on hand Its an incredible story she writes with sheer emotion and feeling that I've never been able to get from a book.... gee I guess I should buy my lady a sparkly for introducing me to these characters :wink:

8)

emalia

10-01-2003, 09:02 AM

Well hun also read them with tissue on hand Its an incredible story she writes with sheer emotion and feeling that I've never been able to get from a book.... gee I guess I should buy my lady a sparkly for introducing me to these characters :wink:

8)

You wouldn't happen to have a brother would you?? You know.. Somewhere down in the south.. ;) One not taken?? I think that I could get sued to a guy who reads these books and can appreciate the raw emotion that she pours into these pages..

I got a little steamed in a couple of the scenes, but nuffin like when I was reading Erotica at work.. that had me squirming in my seat.. I can't do that any more.. Ok.. so I won't input that thought that was just going through my head that actually made my face flush.. :oops:

Bonnie

10-01-2003, 10:32 AM

I love the steamy scenes as well, but Laurell Hamilton has got a few steam worthy scenes in her books that just set me to burning. Anita and Jean-Claude's first sexual encounter? OMG!!!!!

But back to Jamie and Claire....Le sighe.

My sister bought the first three or four for me for Christmas one year. I looked at her and raised my eyebrows. I DON'T do romance.

That night, bored, no books at hand at my mom's house, I picked the first book up. I started reading at like 10 pm. I didn't put it down til around 4 am....

emalia

10-01-2003, 11:58 AM

That was my thing too.. I don't do romance, that is why I buy Erotica.. Now I do cause they are mindless.. Favs still include Forensic thrillers and Alex Cross books. Dean Koontz..

gardo

10-01-2003, 12:15 PM

See I dont see these books ca be classified as purely romance, more like historicle fantacy. Dont get me wrong the romace is a big part of the books but not the .... well maybe it is.... huh 8)

Bonnie

10-01-2003, 12:16 PM

They're not romance novels per say. They are better classified as fictional literature...much the same as Gone With the Wind, Clan of the Cave Bears, Wuthering Heights...

all have romantic overtones, but all are great literature...classics in their times.

emalia

10-01-2003, 12:40 PM

hhrvt

10-01-2003, 01:54 PM

Saucy Ria

10-01-2003, 02:27 PM

I like to read for escape mostly..... I love the romantic comedy/mystery...lighthearted...a bit steamy and laugh out loud. I found the Stephanie Plum books by Janet Evanovich filled the bill perfectly! I highly reccomend them if you read for the sheer enjoyment of it!

I had a male friend tell me once that he loved to watch women read..... we spent alot of time at the public pool with our kids...he said he could always tell when they were at the "steamy" part of the book because they would fidgit or cross thier legs and kick thier foot! OMG this made me laugh and now self -conscious while i get that warm feeling from a particularly hot passage. :oops: I still say men should read these books and forget the Penthouse Forum....or Maxim and such.....they would do alot better learning the Romantic techniques from these books!!

and Gardo..... you may be the perfect Rogue..... you can enjoy steamy and romantic with NO threat to your manhood.....AND you think sparklies are a good reward! Go man Go!! Your lady is very lucky!

hugggggs
Ria

emalia

10-01-2003, 03:12 PM

I had a male friend tell me once that he loved to watch women read..... he said he could always tell when they were at the "steamy" part of the book because they would fidgit or cross thier legs and kick thier foot! OMG this made me laugh and now self -conscious while i get that warm feeling from a particularly hot passage. :oops:

and Gardo..... you may be the perfect Rogue..... you can enjoy steamy and romantic with NO threat to your manhood.....AND you think sparklies are a good reward! Go man Go!! Your lady is very lucky!

hugggggs
Ria

I know that feeling, reading can be a couples activity as well.. there are certain things that I read and have flash back to acting them out, or seeing how long I could read aloud while um.. yeah.. :oops: but they still illicit that foot kicking responce.

An I have to agree.. (as said above, when inquiring if Gardo has a brother) Yes.. Gardo is the perfect Rogue.. and she is a VERY VERY lucky woman!

Bonnie

10-01-2003, 03:45 PM

this is possibly my favorite series (after, of course dragonriders of pern) i laugh, cry, get turned on, get pissed, everything--i will admit however the first time i read them i skimmed over some of the historical parts of DIA---ive read mine so many times its time for new copies...the pages are falling out

I LOVE Dragonriders!!!

still waiting for the rumored movie to begin productions.

sigh.

My checks are special order with Ramoth, Ruth, Mmenmenth and a pic of dragons all over the Star Stone.

Have you heard the soundtrack?

Lady Alasse

10-01-2003, 04:16 PM

I still don't know. My brain doesn't work well at night or in the early morning LOL Which is the time I read the books LOL So call me really stupid but I can't seem to figure it out. I think it may be Jamie but it wouldn't make sense to me if it were. Hummmm

Bonnie

10-01-2003, 06:08 PM

Love, it is Jamie...his ghost. It's just so sad. Two hundred years later, and he's still faithful and in love with his Claire....sigh.

AnnaFaerie

10-01-2003, 06:24 PM

Why doesn't it make sense to you? Jamie and Claire were married in the 1700's so he has been dead for a long time by the 1900's. Girl....you make lots of sense! lol

Lady Alasse

10-01-2003, 08:03 PM

Why doesn't it make sense to you?

Because when Frank sees him she hasn't gone back yet or anything so it just was confusing to me that's all. I know I'm not the smartest cookie in the box LOL.

AnnaFaerie

10-01-2003, 09:52 PM

Even though Claire hasn't gone back yet when she does go back it is to 1740 whatever. So Jamie has the memories for all of those years after that time.....even though Claire hasn't gotten there yet. And it doesn't mean you aren't the smartest cookie in the box. :wink:

emalia

10-02-2003, 08:31 AM

Le Sigh!!! Page 345.. I will be having verra good dreams tonight...

Then his chest swelled as he took a deep breath, reached and took both my wrists in one hand. He pulled them up, over my head and held me, there, my body arched taut and helpless under him.

:wistful sigh: (there isn't a pic for this)

Lady Alasse

10-03-2003, 03:26 AM

I found this amoungst my Cd collection and thought first of Jamie and Claire :) It's called standing Stones and it's by Loreena Mckennit (actually only the chorus reminded me of them LOL so here it is)

Standing stones of the orkney Isles
Gazing out to sea
Standing stones of the Orkney Isles
Bring my love to me

Okay so not totally for them but they came ot mind LOL

Bonnie

10-03-2003, 04:05 PM

speaking of...

Guess who's mom bought her the new Gabaldon novel? Lord John and the Private Matter?

hehe

No Claire, but there's bound to be lots of Jamie in parts....

emalia

10-06-2003, 07:08 AM

DO NOT post ANY spoilers Bonnie!!

So I have gotten to the at sea part..
I was pretty mad yesterday when I read the part when Jamie and Claire were interrupted... ARGH!

Bonnie

10-07-2003, 08:07 AM

No spoilers, but I finished it. No Jamie, although his name gets mentioned...

It most definitely IS a 'short' story about Lord John. I'd like to have had her cover more than just the Private Matter in the book, but it was pretty good.

gardo

10-07-2003, 12:12 PM

Yeah I've fallin a bit behind in the reading only on page 445 with my whole weeding thing this weekend....
But Emalia that was a great part of the book but I thought of his reaction to her in the printshop would have been something I would have done.

As for my Brothers, Emalia, I am but a Blacksheet amongst my blood, though I know a few of the Rogues of like mind 8)

emalia

10-07-2003, 12:20 PM

hey Gardo!!
Congrats officially now!!
WoooHoo

Too bad you are the blacksheep.. You have ONE LUCKY wench!!!

haven't gotten much reading done as of yet, but I am on the Voyage part and page 712.. No spoilers.

gardo

10-08-2003, 02:43 PM

I figured you girls might get a kick out of this...

I was nuzzling with my Wife (Goddess I love that I can say that now) and feeling frisky when she told me that it wasn't a good idea and check teh calendar. So I do the math in the head and in turn say "oh goin through your coarses are we" Her responce being "Okay you have been reading those books too much now".
Don't know why I shared this but I thought it funny how a book could start influencing other areas in life 8)

AnnaFaerie

10-08-2003, 03:06 PM

I don't remember where it is in the book (I think it is in book two, but I am on reading 7 or eight now), but has anyone read the part where Jamie is telling Claire what happened to Ian when his wooden leg got broken? I laugh myself sick when he starts in on the "Who....who?" from the wife in the cottage.

gardo

10-08-2003, 03:14 PM

AnnaFaerie

10-08-2003, 03:20 PM

ME TOO!!!! She does have a way with words. lol

Lady Alasse

10-08-2003, 04:19 PM

I was sent into a fit of hysterics over the question Claire posed to i think it was Master Raymond. "Have you been kissed by any beautiful ladies lately?" "Yes quite a few buy as you can see it hasn't helped Ribbit!!" I about fell off my couch LOL

emalia

10-09-2003, 06:59 AM

I liked that part too..

Daily update: page 1018.. and I feel that I will finish yet another FANTASTIC book today.. I am going to hold off a few days before I get book four, that way I can read it on the bus to the Stone Mountain Highland Games!!!

Mairi Ulfsdottir

10-19-2003, 11:56 AM

ok, after you are all done reading the series (so far) or even if you're not, pick up the "Outlandish Companion" It was written a few years ago - so some things are a bit dated (like the excerpt from her "latest" book, which was "fiery cross" at the time - but she does go into the next book as well!) but it gives a great insight into Diana Gabaldon, who she is, how she started writing and etc. Plus tons of stuff about the characters and etc. it's also a lot of fun to read!

Oh and by the way, the books on tape of the series are really good too! (That's how I got my husband to "read" them! Then he got hooked too!)

Lady Alasse

10-19-2003, 08:46 PM

I am Finially done with the frist three books!!! Took me forever!! LOL Voyager was okay but I was thinking that maybe twenty years was a little far to go between Claire and Jamie seeing each other. I mean I want to know what happened to the other little characters that they had met in the second one like Master Raymond. Ahhh well I will get over it. Now On to Drums of Auteum (Oh lord can't spell)

emalia

10-20-2003, 07:27 AM

I started the Drums this weekend..page 218!

AnnaFaerie

10-20-2003, 08:56 AM

I read that there will be other books about some of the "side people" in the OUTLANDER series.
There will be a book about Master Raymond...who by the way is a time traveler also.
There is supposed to be a prequel about Jamie's parents.
There is the Lord John and the Secret Matter that has just come out.
Oh...my memory is failing me, but there might be another book that I'm forgetting.
I do hope Diana lives and writes for at least as long as I'm alive!

emalia

10-21-2003, 10:30 AM

Page 459, Interesting.. hmm.. Very interesting..

Lady Alasse

10-22-2003, 03:21 AM

I'm not as far as you are (Only on Ch. 2) But so far it is interesting :)

Lady Alasse

10-23-2003, 01:51 AM

OH my I am a lot further and I love Gayle!! Oh she cracks me up. And Joe is funny to. I laughed really hard when he was complaining about the MIT student who could't fix his t.v LOL and From the Voyager book I really laughed when Fergus got married. The priest kept asking him if he had a cock! LOL Ahh sorry getting carried away here. :)

emalia

10-23-2003, 08:32 AM

Yeah.. I do have to agree that Fergus and Marsali's wedding was a hoot!

Lady Alasse

10-28-2003, 03:04 AM

I am on Page 657 or so and I have to say that the book is really getting interesting. I liked the fact that Bri got to go and see Jenny and Ian I always did like them.

emalia

10-28-2003, 07:22 AM

I did as well. I also liked the fact that Ian admitted he was happy to see Claire come back. I didn't realize so many people were reading this book at the same time.

I need to go buy The Firey Cross this weekend.

Lady Alasse

10-29-2003, 03:29 AM

I agree I was glad to hear that Ian was happy to see Claire and I was happy that Roger and Bri got handfasted :) Of course now Roger is gone but that will change right quick :)

Lady Alasse

11-01-2003, 05:53 AM

I am disaponted with the end to Drums! I liked Ian I was sad that he had to leave :( Now i'm on to The Firey Cross :)

CinD

11-10-2003, 08:56 AM

Having read (several times) the Outlander series, I was wondering if anyone here has read her other book "Lord John Grey and the Private Matter" - or whatever it's title is??? Just curious as to whether it is as good as Outlander started out to be - and any news on the next/last book of the Outlander series? Anyone know? {hugs} cc

AnnaFaerie

11-10-2003, 10:08 AM

I bought the LORD JOHN book and it is good. It is very short....she said she thought she was writing a short story and her publisher said this was the size of a normal book. I got mine cheap on Ebay.

Her next book...A BREATH OF SNOW AND ASHES is due out next year. It is not the last book in the series. Diana said there will be at least one more after this book.

There are going to be other books about the people in the series. Let me see if I can remember them all.....a prequel about Jamie's parents....a book about Master Raymond (who time travels also).....and another one that I don't remember who/what it is about.

Let's all hope Diana outlives us and continues to write forever more!

Bonnie

11-10-2003, 11:56 AM

yeah..Lord John is easily digestible in one or two long sittings. I think I did it in three. Damn kids.

Can't wait for the next Jamie and Claire book, though.

AnnaFaerie

11-10-2003, 03:08 PM

I can hardly wait for it myself.

I just read where Diana said the Lord John books are going to be a series also. He is one of her favorite people in the OUTLANDER series so it seems reasonable that she would write more about him. Personally I would like to know more about Master Raymond.

Oh and I read that we will know a lot more about what Ian went through when he was with the Indians.

Lady Alasse

11-11-2003, 03:43 AM

Oh and I read that we will know a lot more about what Ian went through when he was with the Indians.

I agree I liked Ian :) I have read a bit more into the Firey Cross and it is okay. I don't know if I really care for there daughter much (No offence to all you who do. She just isn't my cup of tea LOL) I thought Lord John was okay but I really liked Master Raymond

Holly

11-11-2003, 05:30 PM

I am about two thirds the way through fiery cross... OMG the hanging scene.. I was holding my breath.. then i got dizzy... but GOOD GOORD.. i am still not sure how he will make out.. sigh.....
i would love to learn mor about Brianna nad roger and stuff as they progress though the past... and i would love to see if it ever overlaps or whatever.... I can rememerb Lord John.... which one was he? and yes to mast raymond too....god i will cry when jamie and claire die..
will have to go bak and start over....

in outlander..

Lady Alasse

11-11-2003, 05:51 PM

I can rememerb Lord John.... which one was he?

He is the "father" of Williem and he is the second Man to have the hots for Jamie. He was the overseer of the prison where Jamie was sent after Culloden (Did I spell that right???)

....god i will cry when jamie and claire die..
will have to go bak and start over....

in outlander..

Oh I agree!! Dont have a crying Icon.

Psyche

03-08-2004, 06:06 PM

Thought I might post the link to the following excerpt from "A Breath of Snow and Ashes"... it's due out this year sometime... hopefully.

http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~gatti/gabaldon/excerpts/jezebel.htm

Psyche

03-08-2004, 06:08 PM

Also... a link to an excerpt from the final book... current title Sons of Liberty.

http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~gatti/gabaldon/excerpts/jamieletter.html

Lady D

04-10-2004, 08:00 PM

And there's also a short story in "Legends II" {a scifi compilation} about John Grey. Very well done, more character development. All goodness.

I was hooked on her about 8 years ago when I found Dragonfly in Amber at a local bookstore. (Yes, I was 12.) Have devoured it all since. I try to explain her to my friends as "historical fiction scifi romance"... It's difficult.