PDA

View Full Version : GLITTERGATE 2003



LadyVixen
09-02-2003, 01:06 AM
**Let me preface this by saying that I wish to offend no one, just to have some fun.....**

Now, I have been assigned as the A.G.S. :rotfl: correspondant to the WNN (Wench News Network) :lol:

So.... What have you heard in regards to "GlitterGate"??? Just wanna check what the grapevine has to say... There will be updates as news comes in...

Stay tuned to WNN for futher info....

Where were YOU when the glitter flew???

Tink
09-02-2003, 10:19 AM
I was no where near the scene of the "crime"

However, what I was told is that a worker girl who likes to hit other people with glitter and fairy dust freaked out when someone threw it on her.

The worker girl told security the person had assaulted her. Security then had to do their job, which is to escort anyone who commits assault off site. I heard they were very nice about it though, as if they knew it was a ridiculous claim the girl had made, but it's procedure so they had no choice. The worker girl claims that she is allergic to the fairy dust.

Also heard that a male friend of the offender was permanently removed from site because he raised his hand to a security staff member apparently not to hit them, but to put themselves in between the offender and security. Not a smart move, but my guess is they instinctively moved to protect her. Lesson here folks, you only make it worse if you resist in ANY way.

The worker girl reporting this as assault is ridiculous.

If the worker girl is allergic to that crap then how can she carry it around all day and throw it at people? It would surely get on her or linger in the air so she'd breathe it in. Seems *pretty* stupid for her to carry it at all then.

If throwing fairy dust on people = assault, then there are quite a few criminals still at large on site. (I feel real sorry for the folks who work the fairy dust booth...they have no where to hide from the law. May as well turn themselves and their arsenal over to the authorites because it's only a matter of time....)

:rotfl:

Pico de Gallo
09-02-2003, 10:33 AM
If this was the annoying bint who I caught stealing my "Siesta" bit I hope she gets her karmic due (by Matty Groves).

and if she's allergic to the stuff what's she doing working around it??????sounds like bs or a personla vendetta.

Avhiennda
09-02-2003, 12:22 PM
Yes, her allegations are ludicrous and downright false at that.

this is the same person who wears glitter on herself all day.

This is the same person who RAN AFTER MYSELF and FRIENDS (glitter flying all over herself in the process due to wind) to plaster a glob of glitter on each of us. This glitter didn't come off all WEEK and it was on a prominent spot on my chest and neck.

And she has the NERVE to complain to security that she was 'Assaulted' because she couldn't take her own damned medicine???? Well you can 'Brrrddppeepp!' my ASS, honey.

This is the same person who brags that she's Security's favorite rosegirl.

Well I hope they buy them off of ya...cause I sure as hell ain't buying from the likes of YOU.

Granted, I'm not condoning any acts of agression towards faire workers. However, this was NOT the case. It was sprinkling the very glitter SHE uses against her in response to her "assaults" all season. She couldn't handle it and escalated it by lying or sheer stupidity (cause if yer allergic, what the hell are you doing with the stuff anyway).

Security was only doing their job. I think everyone understands that. They have a job and have to put faire workers first. Unfortunately this little Bint abused this cause she couldn't pout to mommy.

To the person escorted out...I support ya, my Fairie of Death! You GO gurl!

Avhi

Tink
09-02-2003, 03:30 PM
:arrow:

09-02-2003, 03:47 PM
I witnessed the glitter incident....she did not freak out, just made some weird noises, as is usual. She did not have an allergic reation as I was a witness too, and was even standing around for a good 10 mins after the event, so unless the reation happened after that, I am not sure of one occuring.

Now...said before, She did not freak out at that moment. She was very calm and took it with a grain of salt at first. Now as to what happened later, no idea....maybe she snapped and went to security or maybe it set in as to what had happened.....I have no idea!!!!!!

Muffin
witness at large!!!

Dmitri
09-02-2003, 03:51 PM
Ok... I'm not taking sides and I didn't see the incident but I DID see the aftermath and the sheer amount of black fairy dust on that girl. (she was cleaned up in the back of MY booth...) due to the rain and everything it stuck everywhere; mouth, ears, hair... the back of her neck!?!

She needed a new shirt, and it took 20 mins of 4 girls in the back of my booth to get her clean...

Some of you may think she deserved that, but I'll tell you something, if that had been me, the person with the Black Glitter would have been black AND blue when I was done...

And for the record, she didn't get the offender booted, it was only after at least another complaint if not more...

And if I hear of ANYONE NOT USING HER AS A ROSEGIRL BECAUSE OF THIS: Rogues: you WILL be put on probation... and Wenches I will personally inform the NEW Grande Madam of the offence of Favoring Rosebearers...

Tipsy InHerCups
09-02-2003, 04:00 PM
Greetings & Salivations, ladies.

I was one of the 'cleaner-uppers', & she's not allergic to glitter. This was just a bad joke gone wrong. It took us a long time to get the stuff off her, & one of my chemises so she wouldn't chafe. I believe she was escorted off the premises because it happened to a few other ppl. She wasn't freaking or crying, she just calmly appeared at the booth asking if anyone had anything to hep her clean it off. From the sheer volume of it & the way it was sticking, it would have chafed and irritated her had we not gotten it off. As the Wolf said, it was a bit much, deserving or no.

PriestesM
09-02-2003, 04:45 PM
Well, while I certainly don't condone what happend, as someone who does have skin allergies to irritants (like glitter) I hope some good does come from this and maybe the workers on site who insist on randomly sprinkeling whom ever they like will be a bit more careful.

I personally have had two run ins with the same young lady on the field near the glass blower. Even after taking the time to explain the allergy to her (she kept insisting it didn't have perfumes in it) she tried to splash me a second time a few weekends later.

~M

Bonnie
09-02-2003, 05:01 PM
I'm not going to comment on the incident in general, save that it seems like everyone took everything a bit too far. My general view on glitter is thus:

Just cause you work the glitter booth, you do NOT have the right to arbitrarily sprinkle the stuff on any poor soul who happens by. You NEED to get permission. It's no different than being accosted in the malls with perfume. Sounds to me as if this very reasonable and general rule of thumb is being ignored not just by the patrons, but by the workers, as well.

I don't care how much glitter got dumped on her. If she glitters folk indiscriminately, then by damn there comes a time to pay the piper. Unfortunately we don't always get to choose the price we pay.

What pains me is that patrons, who don't know better, and were merely emulating a worker's actions (dusting without permission) were forced out of the faire. I mean, that dust is evil. It's EASY to really wallup someone with it if you're not used to handling it. The first fault was with the worker, who obviously has a habit of assaulting people with the dust herself. Should SHE be escorted out of the faire? Should a patron complain to security about being assaulted by HER, what would be done?

Either there is more to the story than I'm hearing here, or this is a blatant miscarriage, and an offense to the paying public at the faire.

Bonnie
09-02-2003, 05:02 PM
hrmm... I guess I did comment on the incident after all, huh? oh well. :shrug:

Tink
09-02-2003, 05:03 PM
I don't think putting guild members on probation for deciding not to use this rose girl for this reason, or *whatever* their own personal reason might be, is fair.

Should people not use her *just* because they think she may have gotten a friend kicked off site for no good reason? Honestly, if it was my friend she *allegedly* got tossed, I'd have to say I'd not use her either, unless I witnessed the incident and felt my friend was out of line and got what she deserved. People will takes sides here, it's just the way these things go down. Most folks heard about it second hand from either the rose girl or from the person who hit her with the dust and formed their opinions based on who told them what. Friends tend to believe friends.

It isn't fair to bring guild politics into it though...on *either* end. So no one should campaign to not use her or vice versa...it should be left to personal choice, whatever the reason.

I think everyone has the right to use what rose girl they choose for whatever reason they see fit....whether anyone else agrees with the reason or not. I for one, have my prefered ones that I know and trust to do what they do well. Is it wrong to only want to deal with those girls? I don't think so. I have the right to spend my money on whoever and wherever I choose to patronize without fear of penalty. Being a rose girl is one of the hardest gigs at faire. I give the ones who do it well *enormous* credit. That includes some of the newer ones. You learn quickly, like their first weekend, if they're worth their salt. As in any other customer/vendor relationship, a customer goes back to the vendor that treats them right or best.

Getting back to the original topic...

I replied to the question asked in the original post..... which was what did I hear about it "through the grapevine"?

As I stated, *I* did not see it happen. I was told she was hit with the same glitter she hits everyone else with. I interpreted that to mean the person threw some dust on her. If what *actually* happened is that she had a ton of the crap dumped on her head or several throws in large quantities was how it went down then I'd say that was over the top and I don't agree with it. I'd be pissed too if it got in my ears or in my eyes. So Dmitri...yeah, I'd probably have knocked the person out over it, but then again *I* have the traditional Irish temper.....react first, think later.

In addition, if she didn't claim she was assaulted.....then that's good.

However, since she *did* want the person booted, I do think her asking for that is equally over-the top.

Over-all, I think this was just a Black Monday stunt gone HORRIBLY wrong.

Everyone should just go about their normal routine and let the damn thing die.

Dmitri
09-02-2003, 05:06 PM
Ok... I think we MAY be talking about two girls here. Bubbles, the rosebearer faerie, wears some glitter but I've never seen her sprinkle it, the only things I've ever seen in her hands is a basket and roses...

Granted, I don't see her ALL the time, So I could be wrong...

Let's make sure that we are talking about the same people, since it was MORE THAN ONE COMPLAINT THAT GOT THE BLACK GLITTER PERSON KICKED OUT!!!!!

Tink
09-02-2003, 05:31 PM
If Bubbles is not the one who always hits people with fairy dust....then I'd say that BOY!!!...... did the person who nailed her with the dust on Monday REALLY screwed up!! I mean if their purpose was to "get even" (as a joke) with the one who throws the dust and they mistook Bubbles for her, then we DO need to clear that misconception up ASAP. AND I think they owe Bubbles one hell of an apology.

Sooooooooo Lady Vixen, since you posted the original thread...can you verify PLEASE?

09-02-2003, 05:33 PM
It was Bubbles the clicking and chirping rose fairy girl....that is who I witnessed the glittering of....

She was given a rose by the black fairy..said black fairy put black glitter in and on an ivory rose....black fairy approched rose fairy and took rose and handed rose fairy rose by thumping (now not sure but appeared to be not a hard thump, just trying to make the black glitter come out) it onto her chest/collarbone area....black glitter then made its way onto rose fairy's chest and neck area (left side) in a patch of about 4" by 6" on herupper left chest and collar area.

Ok, that is what I saw from about 7 feet away.......

Muffin

Tink
09-02-2003, 05:42 PM
Muffin I am not asking for verification of who got hit with the black dust.

As Dmitri posted it WAS Bubbles....

What we need verification on is...whether Bubbles is the rose girl who also carries fairy dust and throws it on people.

Dmitri seems to think she isn't the rose girl who carries fairy dust. She only wears it.

09-02-2003, 06:01 PM
ahhh well sorry for that!!!!

Misread the post there......I personally have never seen her put it on anyone.....

Muffin

Aries
09-02-2003, 06:02 PM
Okay, I did not actually witness the incident, however, it was Bubbles who walked up to me at Joust Pub and told me she was awaiting security because she had been "attacked".

Having heard these words I went into "ready to find and kick butt mode" then I asked her what happened and found out about the Glitter...in telling THAT story she used the word "assaulted" and fully described who she was assaulted by, she also told me her chest had swelled from what obviousley an allergic reaction.

Now...considering I HAVE seen Bubbles let loose with a fairy wand at a customer, it is IMHO that to call it being attacked, or assaulted is a bit harsh don't you think...I mean honestly it was a joke, it was not intended to hurt anyone...and even to get security involved over fairy dust, is this what we as customers should do to them when we've been unwillingly glittered? But to walk up to people you hardly know and claim to have been assaulted by a certain person could be considered a defamation of character.

From what I was to understand, the Black Fairy's "gimmick" for the day was to dust all those she had been unwillingly dusted by....a "tit for Tat" game so to speak.

As for the amount of fairy dust, well, I actually had one of the girls dust me so badly last weekend I was able to scoop it out of my cleavage with my hands...this was after I had said no mind you, and also the girl was no one I knew so it wasn't like a "ooooh Imma get you" thing.

SO basically I'd just like to know why it's okay for them to do it to us, after we have said no, but not okay for them to get it back.

So she DID say she was attacked, DID say she was assaulted and DID say she had an allergic reaction....She DID say it all to me personally.

Dmitri ya know I love ya sweetie, but I just don't think this is a "Guild Matter" seems more like a personal one to me....

Alianne
09-02-2003, 06:05 PM
In the past, Bubbles has carried fairy dust in her basket and has tried to hit me with it. I *hate* the stuff so I just put up my hand to *anyone* with fairy dust and say I'm allergic. Since she hasn't tried to do this to me *this* season, I can't say for sure that she *still* carries fairy dust in her basket....though it's my understanding that she still does.

But she has done so in the past and has attempted to dust people without asking first -- one of the drawbacks of 'playing' a non vocal character, I guess....or being clever enough to, if one isn't going to actually talk, to figure out, via gestures, if she has someone's permission to dust them.

I do know that in the past, she dusted the teenaged son of a vendor and a couple of his friends without their permission, waiving the dust in front of their faces and *got glitter dust in their eyes*.

I have other opinions on this, but I'll wait until I get home to post them.

Dmitri
09-02-2003, 06:11 PM
Aries, Guild matter? No, you are correct, Doll. However, it IS an IBRSC guild matter when people refuse to use a rosebearer or favor a single rosebearer for whatever reason just as it states in le Grimoire Libertine... Because it's written there I've got to defer to it, or it means nothing...

Now Tink's issue with her should be taken up with somethat WILL talk to her and make her understand the gravity of getting a message incorrect...

It DOES sound like a JOKE got out of hand.. That's cool. Apologies can be made all around and then it can end.

Alianne,
Ok... That's info I didn't have... Thank you. Question is why wasn't this dealt with LAST YEAR... or when this stuff happened earlier this season...

There is a head rosebearer or someone in charge... Trust me GO TO THEM if you have an issue... Nothing gets solves if you never open your mouth...

LadyVixen
09-02-2003, 06:24 PM
Now, see, this is why I wanted to know what the grapevine was saying....

This is the story as I KNOW it..... (From my perspective as an eyewitness).

This was all initially supposed to be a "stunt", a joke mind you...

Yes, it is Bubbles that is the rose girl that got glittered. Now, let me explain what happened on Monday....

I was with the "Black Fairy" ALL day, until approximately one hour before she was escorted off site. So......

There were three targets for glittering. Heidi (Swiss Miss to some of you), Bubbles, and ONE of the fairy dust girls (NOT all, just the one that hits people after being told in no uncertain terms NOT to do so). Heidi was the first to get glittered. Yes, it was black glitter that was purchased on faire site. She thought it was FUNNY, and wanted MORE on her, so our Black Fairy obliged. Heidi walked away laughing, and showing off her glitter!!

Much later, in FRONT of Fellowship, Bubbles was then targeted.
She was in conversation with a wench that we knew (Don't want to "out" anyone that may not want their names involved). So, the Black Fairy, put some (none of us that were watching thought it seemed like too much) black glitter IN a white rose. She then proceeded to walk over to the rose girl, and say, while holding the glittered rose in front of her, "A Rose delivery for the rose person" and then took the rose, and lightly "smacked" Bubbles in the cleavage. LAUGHING while she did it, and put the rose in Bubble's basket as a gift for her. Bubbles made a show of pouting and such for approx. 10 -15 minutes (The comment was thrown LOUDLY from Fellowship that the "Evil Fairy just got the Good Fairy!!" as a JOKE) and Bubbles wandered off. From where I, and others were standing, it just looked to be a black smear of glitter on her chest. It did not look as bad as it apparently turned out to be.

Dimitri, if it was as bad as you say, either she got more glitter on her from SOMEONE ELSE, or it was really a lot worse that it initially appeared (to several witnesses). It was NOT intended to be as severe as it was by the time she got to you. I wasn't there for the clean-up, so I trust your word on that 100%. I know not where the rest of the glitter came from, but I do know that the Black Fairy ONLY hit her in the chest (where Bubbles has hit others in the past) and it really did not look like that much was used.

That was the LAST person that the Black Fairy dusted, with the exception of several people that specifically ASKED for some. I won't name anyone, but if people that requested some glitter want to come forward, please by all means, do. I want it clear that the only two people deliberately targeted and hit were Heidi and Bubbles. THAT IS IT!

I am unsure of the exact time of the attack, but I so know it was prior to the singing of Moose. The Black Fairy and the rest of us eventually floated to the Rouge's Gallery. Around 4, she went for a walk to see if she could find the offensive glitter wand girl. That was the last I saw of her for an hour. In that hour, she was approached by security and asked politely to leave. She willingly and laughingly did so. The Boy Scout in question was also escorted off, for merely arguing in her defense, NO hands were raised ever....

After a while, I got cold and such just sitting in the Rouge's Gallery, and went for a walk myself. I found Mordread and the rest of my "family" and walked with them for a bit. At this time we were approached by someone (I don't remember who the first was) telling me that the Black Fairy had been kicked off site, and was in need of my car keys, and also to locate her ride home. So I run off in search of her ride, and begin to hear the rumors FLYING...

Now, the rest of this is STRAIGHT from the people evicted, and various security people.....

Bubbles went to First Aid and Security approximately one to two hours AFTER the attack and ensuing clean up. She "claimed" to be allergic and demanded to have the offender thrown off site. This is the ONLY reason the Black Fairy was asked to leave. She was never told of any other complaintant, ONLY Bubbles. The police were even consulted on this. So, if other complaints were logged, it was NOT by anyone who was glittered, and the security people involved never said one word to the Black Fairy.

I spoke to Heidi, the ONLY OTHER target that was HIT, and she said she knew it was in good fun, and had no problem with being glittered. Bubbles was seen sitting at First Aid LAUGHING at the Boy Scout, as he was escorted out.

I eventually passed on my car keys, made sure their ride was secured, and returned just in time for the Rouge's Show. I heard a LOT of interesting stories there. Eventually, after the show ended, I said my good-byes, and made for the parking lot. AS I was leaving, Bubbles was standing in front of the last pub before gate. SHE WAS NOW WEARING WHITE GLITTER!!!!!!! EXPLAIN TO ME HOW SHE IS WEARING WHITE GLITTER IF SHE IS SOOOOO ALLERGIC!!!!!!!!??????

I made my way to the car, and lo and behold, the Black Fairy and the Boy Scout were there! We all proceeded to exchange stories, the truth was told from their perspective. There were six of us, in total b.s.ing about this. That is when we all decided to take this public, as the stories had already gotten out of hand. Several people mentioned that Bubbles had indeed, glittered them against their will. AS we are sitting there talking, GUESS who strolls past us, giggling.....

Yes, Bubbles passes all SIX of us, STILL wearing HER OWN WHITE GLITTER!!!!

So, that is what I saw for myself and heard FIRST HAND from 1/2 the parties involved. I have NOT spoken to Bubbles, so I do NOT know her side. All I know is that Security TOLD the Black Fairy that Bubbles cried ALLERGY, and that was the reason the Black Fairy was asked to leave.

At this point in time, NO ONE on in the “Black Fairy” camp has asked that Bubbles NOT be used as a rose girl. Which rose person people choose to use is up to them, and please do not let our own opinions effect that. None of us have any intent of attempting to get her blacklisted by the rennies. This was a joke gone terribly wrong, and blown WAY out of proportion. However, all we intend to do is make damn sure next time Bubbles glitters one of us that it gets documented and handled through the proper channels.

That is the story thus far from the WNN....

Personally, I feel that if she is allergic she should not be carrying it, throwing it on others, or wearing it herself.

Any questions? Comments?

LadyVixen
09-02-2003, 06:31 PM
Wow, there have been six posts in the time it took me to type that...

Tink, yes we are all talking about Bubbles, as Dimitri said, it was her that got glittered, and she who has been the thrower of glitter in the past.

Aires, you are 100% correct...

Muffin, YES it is Bubbles that glitters people, and you seem to have seen the same amount of glitter I did.

Alianne, WE already talked :wink:

Dimitri, the Head Rosebearer, or at least the Senior one HAS been informed of Bubbles' behavior PRIOR to the Black Monday incident. Bubbbles has been warned several times that HER own conduct is questionable as well as offensive to many. Personally, I have NOT been glittered by her. I HAVE seen her wear glitter, and I have seen her throw glittter on several of my friends who told her NOT to. We dealt with it properly for the first few weeks. We went to the Senior rosebearer and told her we had problems. We did not go to security and demand any action, we merely informed her "superior" and let it go.

Dmitri
09-02-2003, 06:46 PM
LV,

to my knowledge, thru my grrls that helped clean her up, Bubbles never cried ALLERGY to them... It was more the amount and that fact that with the rain and all it was sticking and chafing... they did need to give her another shirt there was so much...

anything that happened after the clean-up, Neither I, Tipsy or any other of my crew have first-hand knowledge of...

LadyVixen
09-02-2003, 06:57 PM
Dimitri,

I believe you that there was an excess of dust by the TIME she got ot you. However, I was standing there when it happened, as was Muffin (btw, Muffin, do we know each other? I am HORRIBLE with names and faces!! :oops: ). We both seem to have seen the same amount applied in the same area. She must have either gotten more elsewhere, or it spread horribly due to rain. Sorry that you and your girls had such a mess to deal with!

All I KNOW for sure was that Bubbles did tell First Aid, Security, and Aires that she was "allergic" and was "assaulted". My personal thoughts are, if she is telling you, Aires, and others different stories, then maybe all the glitter you saw/dealt with wasn't from the original attack. :thinking:

Ysobelle
09-02-2003, 07:12 PM
So where did all the rest of the glitter come from? Did she dump more on herself to make it more dramatic?

And did the Black Fairy ask for her money back? Sounds like there are enough people to make her case for her.

Oh, and as for showing favouritism to rosebearers, Guild rules or not, we have to have the right not to use any service providers who give us lousy service, be they retailers, restauranteurs, or rosebearers. I was a rosebearer at several different faires for five years, and I knew damned well if I screwed up a delivery, it was on my head, and I'd better apologise thoroughly or never get custom from that person again. (Which is why I wrote everything down-- if I'd given, "I'm going to kick your ass" instead of "Kick in the shins," I'd've strangled myself with my rosebasket.) I'm all for not discriminating between rosebearers who provide good service, but if they're sub-par, we have to allow people to acknowledge that with their hard-earned cash.

Random
09-02-2003, 08:06 PM
I was actually going to stay silent on this topic Originally... but here's what I know:

I was at Ophelia's talking to Sandy setting a Double Cross in motion for Ira and Michael since they stole her Jolly Rodger (it has since been returned)... When Bubble's, looking a bit Shell Shocked, came to the counter chest covered in Black glitter. She kept saying, "I don't even know why this happened... Why would they do this?" and we broke out Baby Wipes to try to clean her up.

She was Upset AND confused... I know that from us she said she was headed to Wolfgaard since we werent helping much. We wiped some of it off... To be honest, it looked like she'd been hit with a huge handful of black glitter. I've already said so to you LV... and I know we were her first stop.

Dranaan94
09-02-2003, 08:36 PM
This matter is best left between Bubbles and the "black fairy," since further conversation/debate is, I fear, only going to end up escalating the matter and creating an imagined need to chose sides.

Patrons, rennies included, can use or not use whatever rose person they like. Boycotts should not be encouraged.

People with glitter should keep it to themselves and NOT randomly chuck it at others, even in retaliation.

Not talking is a great schtick, but one should know when it's a bad idea, especially if one's own safety - and here I use the word in want of a better one, as I DO NOT MEAN TO IMPLY that Bubbles well-being was threatened in any way - is in question.

This is not a good reason to fight among friends.

It happened between two people. It should stay between those two people. The drama game is old and should be left in junior high where it belongs. If there's one thing we don't need, it's more "As the Faire turns."

DMN

Avhiennda
09-02-2003, 09:14 PM
Just to clarify to our fabulous Dranaan and anyone else here who may be unclear of my position.

I am not pushing a boycott on anyone. I am not pushing a boycott on her, she's got her gig, let her do her gig. I have my reasons for a) not having used her before today and b) continuing not to use her. And they are reasons other than the incident, though the incident further adds to their character and why i'm not dealing with them in the first place.

However.

I will buy or not buy from whom I please, where I please and when I please. Why? because I paid to walk through those gates.

I favor or not favor whom I please. I favor those who provide me with good service and/or whom I feel I have/will have a positive experience. Its simple marketing 101 my dears.

People know me. I'm about as neutral on most of the faire drama as Switzerland. I'm the one both parties go to to talk to when they have a fight. I'm the one who doesn't let my friends get away with things just because they are my friends. But I will speak my mind whether or not it is something that you (proverbial you) want to hear.

And anyone who wants to go cry foul on my thoughts or actions to my Madame may do so. Heck, bring me with. I'm up for a good spot of amusement.

Avhiennda

Draco
09-02-2003, 09:37 PM
Just to clarify to our fabulous Dranaan and anyone else here who may be unclear of my position.

I am not pushing a boycott on anyone. I am not pushing a boycott on her, she's got her gig, let her do her gig. I have my reasons for a) not having used her before today and b) continuing not to use her. And they are reasons other than the incident, though the incident further adds to their character and why i'm not dealing with them in the first place.

However.

I will buy or not buy from whom I please, where I please and when I please. Why? because I paid to walk through those gates.

I favor or not favor whom I please. I favor those who provide me with good service and/or whom I feel I have/will have a positive experience. Its simple marketing 101 my dears.

People know me. I'm about as neutral on most of the faire drama as Switzerland. I'm the one both parties go to to talk to when they have a fight. I'm the one who doesn't let my friends get away with things just because they are my friends. But I will speak my mind whether or not it is something that you (proverbial you) want to hear.

And anyone who wants to go cry foul on my thoughts or actions to my Madame may do so. Heck, bring me with. I'm up for a good spot of amusement.

Avhiennda

And THAT ladies and gents, is why AVHI is a Jerky Treat...

Rocket RN
09-02-2003, 10:09 PM
OK, I *REALLY* want a job where I have computer access during the day. These damn threads get way too long before I can get to them....

1 - If there are problems on site, and there is a Local Madame, it should go through them first. The Grand Madame doesn't have time for this stuff from all the shows. That's what the LM's are for. { hint, hint. nudge, nudge. Bring it to me... It's what I get "paid" for. *lol*}

2 - I don't know what it says about favoring rose bearers in the Rogues book, but I didn't see anything about it in the Wench's handbook {If I'm wrong, please let me know}. The only thing I saw in there was about continuing to use the same rose girl throughout a game of Rose Tag.

3 - I am not going to take disciplinary action against anyone who chooses not to use a particular rose girl. It is not my place to tell you how and when to spend your money {unless you're the husband I never knew I had}. And, quite frankly, I for one don't have the time for that crap.

As far as the actual incident goes, I'm not going to comment because I have not yet spoken to all parties concerned. Even after I do, I'm not sure I will since I tend to agree that this was probably a Black Monday thing gone *way* wrong.

My real purpose for this post was to let people know the chain of command for the IWG, since the Rogues only really have one person to worry about; and to let people know I won't be suspending anyone {at least not for what I wrote about above :twisted: }


~V~

Alianne
09-03-2003, 12:09 AM
Alianne,
Ok... That's info I didn't have... Thank you. Question is why wasn't this dealt with LAST YEAR... or when this stuff happened earlier this season...

There is a head rosebearer or someone in charge... Trust me GO TO THEM if you have an issue... Nothing gets solves if you never open your mouth...

Personally, I've never reported it because I didn't realize there was a Head Rose Girl. I've let it go.

But I won't if it ever happens to me (or my kids, for that matter; they don't like getting dusted, either), I *will* go straight for security and let them point me in the right direction.

And forgive me if I don't get all worked up about Bubbles needing to change her chemise because she was chafing.

Has *she* (or any of the Kamikaze Fairy Dusters) ever given thought about the damage *they* do?

I got dusted once -- even after saying I didn't want it (and no, not by Bubbles) in nobles. Who paid my dry cleaning bill? Not the girl who dusted me, that's for damn sure!

Are these kids who think it's cute to dust people against their will going to pay the cleaning bills for all the glitter that gets on your garb...in your car...on your stuff?

I swear, the next time it happens to me, I'm going to demand they pay to have my garb cleaned and my car detailed. I'll be damned if *I'm* going to get stuck with the bill to have that crap q-tipped out of the crevices of my leather seats. :cuss:

Draco
09-03-2003, 12:50 AM
Aries, Guild matter? No, you are correct, Doll. However, it IS an IBRSC guild matter when people refuse to use a rosebearer or favor a single rosebearer for whatever reason just as it states in le Grimoire Libertine... Because it's written there I've got to defer to it, or it means nothing...

What page? I've got the 1998 edition, and I've reread cover to cover and can't find this... I would, however direct your attention to page 21, paragraph 2, under the heading of "Proxy"... Seems to me to ENCOURAGE cultivating favorites...


Now Tink's issue with her should be taken up with somethat WILL talk to her and make her understand the gravity of getting a message incorrect...

Same paragraph deals with the importance of message accuracy...


It DOES sound like a JOKE got out of hand.. That's cool. Apologies can be made all around and then it can end.

Alianne,
Ok... That's info I didn't have... Thank you. Question is why wasn't this dealt with LAST YEAR... or when this stuff happened earlier this season...

There is a head rosebearer or someone in charge... Trust me GO TO THEM if you have an issue... Nothing gets solves if you never open your mouth...

Speaking for myself here (as I never have a problem opening MY mouth, it's the keeping it CLOSED part I gotta get a handle on), in MOST cases I try to deal with stuff like this on a one to one basis, nicely, if at all possible, and not get someone's boss or security involved... There's no reason to cost someone a job over a misunderstanding, but if you've HONESTLY tried to communicate, and gotten no satisfaction, then I say go up the chain of command... If THAT doesn't work, then... well... do what you gotta do... as long as you're prepared to accept the consequences...

That's MY tuppence...

Aries
09-03-2003, 12:04 PM
That was the LAST person that the Black Fairy dusted, with the exception of several people that specifically ASKED for some. I won't name anyone, but if people that requested some glitter want to come forward, please by all means, do. I want it clear that the only two people deliberately targeted and hit were Heidi and Bubbles. THAT IS IT!



Just to answer to this....I was one who requested the dusting...I think I might've been the first to request it as the Black Fairy wasn't going to do it...but see to me getting sprinkled by the Black Fairy would've been no diferent than say me tying someone up in my Golden Lasso...I had MANY people begging me to do that....

Crossbones
09-03-2003, 04:14 PM
I'm just gonna pop in my two cents since I can after reading this whole thing.

I was stuck at Rogues Gallery all day as always or what after Monday I will refer to as Arkham Asylum. I witnessed lot's of Black Monday bits gone awry as well as being spoken to by the Black Fairy before she "left the building".

You all have to police yourselves. The actors and workers have rules to follow and are disciplined as need be in various ways. I'm sure many have complained about the glitter snipers, because I've seen a lot less glitterings as the season has progressed. Security is the only form of discipline for patrons and the same rules that apply to workers do not apply to guests.

The Black Fairy knew what she did was over the top and took responsibility by leaving as asked to do.

Black Monday is all fun, but take responsibility for the actions you do, and remember that for the people working it's just another faire day. And for the "danes" that visit the faire it's just another faire day, and don't know who you all are or what you're doing.

And personally I will never patronize any rose girl because of who ultimately takes all their money. Buy feather, leather, stone, metal, and wood roses and deliver them yourself or have a friend do it.

I love you all. You are what gives the faire color.

LadyVixen
09-03-2003, 04:23 PM
Aries,

Thanks for coming forward, I really didn't want to implicate anyone who did not want to be implicated. But it is good that people now KNOW that you ASKED to be glittered, and that she initially said no. I know several others that she said no to, and didn't glitter. It's just cause you're so WONDERful that she let you have some! :D

Now, to clarify/apologise....

This thread was started for TWO reasons...

1. To see just how far the grapevine had taken this incident. I personally, have been asked if the Fairy and her "knight defender" had been banned permanently...

2. To let the truth be known, at least from one perspective. I would LOVE it if Bubbles would come on and post her side. There ARE two sides to every story. It would be nice to hear hers, seriously, not being facetious...

If this has upset anyone, I truly apologise, it was NOT my intention. Honestly, it was initially an idea that myself and the Black Fairy came up with to let all know what happened from our perspective, and to let everyone know that she's taking it in stride, and sees the HUMOR in the situation. It really wasn't meant to stir up a hornet's nest.

Well, we have all hopefully learned a thing or two from this...

1. DO NOT GLITTER PEOPLE AGAINST THEIR WILL!!!

2. THE GRAPEVINE IS OBVIOUSLY "TWISTED"... Only trust what you hear directly from the people involved...

3. The PROPER channels through which these things SHOULD be handled.

That's all for now, at least from THIS un-official reporter's perspective.....

Dmitri
09-03-2003, 04:24 PM
And personally I will never patronize any rose girl because of who ultimately takes all their money.

You know something Lionel... I really can't argue with that... Gods he's a pain in the dick...

Saphyne
09-03-2003, 07:41 PM
And personally I will never patronize any rose girl because of who ultimately takes all their money. Buy feather, leather, stone, metal, and wood roses and deliver them yourself or have a friend do it.


Not to change the topic too terribly, but I suggest feather roses if you are buying in bulk. 18 roses I bought for a rougeing cost upwards of $20 less than it would have if I got real ones and the rogued one will have them forever.

That is all.

gardo
09-04-2003, 11:07 AM
I've been sayin that for years 8)
Let us go foward with the Wood, Feather, Stone, or whatever

cyd
09-04-2003, 12:30 PM
And personally I will never patronize any rose girl because of who ultimately takes all their money. Buy feather, leather, stone, metal, and wood roses and deliver them yourself or have a friend do it.


Not to change the topic too terribly, but I suggest feather roses if you are buying in bulk. 18 roses I bought for a rougeing cost upwards of $20 less than it would have if I got real ones and the rogued one will have them forever.

That is all.

I'll add a quick addendum to this:

The feather roses will last forever... Unless one of your cats gets it into her head that despite the fact that they are in a vase on top of the china hutch that she's not supposed to be able to get up to, chewing and shredding feather roses to bits is a good idea.

Damn. I forgot to get myself a new feather bud this year, too.

On the topic of glitter? I DESPISE the stuff. Possibly just because my bridal party decided to fill my car with the stuff and a year and a half later I'm still finding the crap everywhere, but also because it is damn near impossible to get the garbage out of velvet. If ANYONE approaches me in my nobles garb with glitter, I will personally have the pleasure of ripping them a new arsehole and shoving said vial of glitter straight up it.

Gee, have I made myself clear on the topic of glitter? *blinks cutely*

Cyd

Caitriona
09-04-2003, 12:39 PM
Snip..

I'll add a quick addendum to this:

The feather roses will last forever... Unless one of your cats gets it into her head that despite the fact that they are in a vase on top of the china hutch that she's not supposed to be able to get up to, chewing and shredding feather roses to bits is a good idea.
Cyd

I had the same problem, but the cats get them play with them, then the dog chews them to little bits, I've lost alot of them this way..

That's why I like leather..

Rho

Donnaccia
09-04-2003, 01:25 PM
That's why I like leather..

Rho

Among OTHER reasons why...*cackle*

Sorry...but you SO walked into that.... :bananada: Score one for me!! Woo-hoooo!! :cheer:

Avhiennda
09-04-2003, 05:20 PM
I was stuck at Rogues Gallery all day as always or what after Monday I will refer to as Arkham Asylum.

:shock:

I knew there was a reason why I spent so much time back there!!! Its the Merry Bova! Bones just said so!

Hey Captain! Look! I found our ship!

Avhi aka Talia

Random
09-04-2003, 08:27 PM
Well, of COURSE M'Lady Talia... even I, your ol' Pal Smilin' Jaques was amused to hear that we had been discovered by Crossbones!

We flew the flag at the Rusty Knife all season last year! This year of course, I personally have claimed the Lunde Booth and have been flying the Flag of the Bova high for all to see! Poor Ms. Gordon has been Awfully helpful with the whole thing. :twisted:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Jaques Napier
Captain, The Merry Bova formerly The Arkham's Asylum