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11-18-2003, 05:07 PM
I was reading my LJ friends today and I have to agree with her. Where has Thanksgiving gone? Why is there Christmas stuff up already. Where is the harvest celebration?
She shall remain nameless and I hope she doesn't mind me reposting this but, I have to agree with her so much I felt I had to share. She put it so well. I want my November back too...

What's with all the Christmas stuff???????
Ok I know that the stores have to have their stuff out for the shoppers. But does Halmark really have to put out their ornaments in July? And driving back from Delaware this weekend there was a nursery in southern Jersey that was all done up with the lights and blow up Santa. Also the Salvation Army started 2 weeks ago out in front of the Port Authority and the Panasonic "Shopping days left" clock went on on the 7th. Also 102.7 here in NYC is now playing xmas music all the time. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't people used to wait until after Thanksgiving?

C'mon people. Why make time seem shorter than it already is? Where are the Turkey's instead of the Reindeers? What happened to putting up fall colors after Halloween? Now it's right to Red and Green.

I want my November back!!!!!!!!!! December will be here soon enough.

Thanksgiving is supposed to remind us about living in harmony with those around us. Something that should be celebrated just like the 4th of July. It shouldn't be glossed over and burried under the Chrismas decorations or sale flyers

11-18-2003, 05:33 PM
I agree...we dont put any Yule decorations up until after Thanksgiving

11-18-2003, 05:59 PM
You know.. you stole my rant right away from me.. I was going to post on that later today as I just had a conversation about it.

Kristianne the MerWench
11-18-2003, 06:15 PM
Check out Loudon Wainright III if you haven't heard him already. A great song called "Suddenly It's Christmas"

Suddenly it's Christmas
Right After Hallowe'en
Forget about Thanksgiving
It's just a buffet in between...

I love him.

Jeannie Fitzgerald
11-18-2003, 07:30 PM
This, my sisters, is an unfortunate side effect of competitive free enterprise. Retailer A tries to get ahead by advertising and putting out his Christmas merchandise the day before Thanksgiving. Retailer B, not wanting to lose business to Retailer A, puts his merchandise out two days before. Retailer A responds by putting his merchandise out three days before. I won't even mention retailer C-Z! And as long as John Q. Public responds by buying thr merchandise as soon as it comes out, retailers' will continue to keep putting their merchandise out earlier and esrlier. I personally don't buy into the seasonal nonsense except when it IS seasonal.

11-18-2003, 08:13 PM
Well, it's partly competition, yeah, but remember, most retailers make most of their money during the Christmas season. The sooner they can get people into the Christmas spirit, the longer they have to exploit their consumerism. I can't say that I blame said retailers, but then, Christmas isn't really my holiday, so I just enjoy the pretty lights.

I also start panicking much earlier cos I have no freakin' clue what to buy anyone. And this year's gonna be ESPECIALLY bad! Gah!

11-18-2003, 10:01 PM
The sooner they can get people into the Christmas spirit, the longer they have to exploit their consumerism.

Christmas spirit? Is that what this feeling is? Like I want to TAKE A ROCKET LAUNCHER and BLOW ALL OF THIS PREMATURE CHRISTMAS CRAP INTO THE NEXT MILLENIUM???!!!!

Heh. Maybe it's just gas.


11-18-2003, 10:50 PM
Here's a example to give you and idea of how much more retail makes during "The Golden Quarter" I work par-time as a commision sales whatever. I expect to make more the day after thanksgiving than I have in the LAST TWO MONTHES. I will probally make more between Thanksgiving and Yule than I made all the Rest of the year. I am starting to loath the this time of the year. I have allready spent the better part of last week setting up Decoration and Listining to the same 5 Christmas songs. This the first year in three that I will be able spend Thanksgiving day and Christmas day with my family, because I have to work 12 hour day both before and after. We are starting to make bets on which of the new employees is going to quit first. (We lost one allready)

11-19-2003, 12:02 AM
Its this time of year that makes me happy to work in a bookstore. We don't decorate. The holiday books occupy a small part of teh store, but its not our focus. Much better now then when I was the Christmas Dept Manager at Boscovs. Yikes!

Aoife (pronounced E-fah)
11-19-2003, 01:46 AM
Stores putting out the Christmas decorations in October don't bother me a bit...I just don't see it since I'm already done with my shopping for this year. I do it all the week between Christmas and New Year's for the following year. And if I do forget something I have sisters who each work at seperate malls here, so I will call them up and ask if they would pick up something for me or just order it online. :wink:

I AVOID the malls here like the plague starting right after Halloween. It's the parking lots that scare me the most. :shock:

We used to have a store in Tulsa, OK that was a Christmas themed store. You could go in and buy anything and everything you might need for the holidays year round. I'm not sure if it is still open or not, but this is the WRONG time of year to go there anyway.

I do wait to decorate for Christmas until after Thanksgiving tho. Normallu the day after hubby, the kids and I load up and drive to a Christmas tree farm to buy a live tree to plant after Twelfth Night.

Mistress Kristi
11-19-2003, 10:33 AM
I enjoy Thanksgiving but I also enjoy all of the Christmas lights. In Kalamazoo, the city already has the lights on the trees and it looks pretty and festive. Christmas music I can do without but I just avoid it, it is pretty easy for me as I don't work or play in an environment where it is piped in ( I do feel bad for all of you guys who do *hugs*) But I've come to the conclusion that I'm a sadist... one of my holiday traditions is going to the mall the day before Christmas and watching all the people freak out trying to buy stuff. It is so very funny. But, HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE... 7 days and counting.

Kristi :whip:

11-19-2003, 10:38 AM
Thanksgiving has always been a celebration of bounty in my family, even when money was tight, we always had each other.

I was also raised that the Yule tree doesn't get purchased or decorated until Yule.. I broke this when I moved out as I used to have an annual holiday party, and would get a tree just before the party to decorate an all.

But for me.. at least wait until After Thanksgiving.. but then again I am a procrastenator (SP?)

11-19-2003, 11:15 AM
Christmas music I can do without but I just avoid it, it is pretty easy for me as I don't work or play in an environment where it is piped in
Kristi :whip:

A good solution for you anti Xmas music folk....download music off the internet and play that instead...

I've got PUNK versions of Xmas songs that ROCK! I've got twisted Xmas music that folk hear, and shake their heads in disbelief...and if you feel funny about THAT,.....there is always the Trans Siberian Orchestra...Xmas music with a WALLOP.

11-19-2003, 11:33 AM
OMG this morning I went to fill my gas tank and they were already playing christmas music over the speakers. Achhhh!!!! I don't hate Yule or Christmas. I am just hoping that they atleast play you know Alice's Resturant on thanksgiving like they have for the past 6 years on the local radio stations.

The other problem that I have with skipping to christmas and such is those of us who have birthdays in Dec get really jibbed. I mean my mom said it yesterday. " Honey can I just get you a bigger christmas gift instead of 2 presents this year. You know since they already have the stuff out and all. " I was like "No!! My birthday is a full 24 days before christmas thank you."

To be honest I really don't care about presents all that much. Not that I won't take one when offered but, to me that is not what those days are about. But soon christmas stuff is going to start going on sale in June.

11-19-2003, 12:18 PM
I think about the only Christmas thing I can stomach before thanksgiving is that Vpstart Crow puts on a production of "A Civil War Christmas" every other year, starting in November. Mid November. But I don't mind it namely because that same theater also does "A Christmas Carol" every year, and there's only a limited number of weekends they can do it for. So they do "A Civil War Christmas" for three weeks in November, then break down and do "A Christmas Carol" for three weeks in December. However, when it comes to things like theater productions and movies and such, I really can't blame them for having to get on the ball so early. Especially since there is only really a limited time they can do it all for. And they're a non-profit organization. They're not doing it to earn lots of money, they're doing it so that people can have the theater experience, and so that people actually walk home thinking about what they just saw... A huge number of the tickets they have there are given at highly discounted rates just so that school age kids can enjoy some well-done theater.

On the other hand, seeing christmas trees pop up at Costco in September really got my goat. Seeing christmas decorations starting to go up before halloween was even over REALLY got me annoyed. I mean, if they were trying to push the spirit of the season that'd be one thing, but it's the blatant commercialism of it all that just gets me annoyed... Thanksgiving is one of the few holidays you really can't commercialize much, and so therefore it gets a bum rap. People rarely put up thanksgiving decorations, and in fact, many people just look on Thanksgiving as a four day weekend.

Me, I used to dress up as a pilgrim as a kid. Okay, I outgrew the uniform. But that's besides the point. :)

Used to be that every store waited until black friday to put up the christmas decor... and on black friday, suddenly the christmas shopping season would begin... Now, some places start as early as August (although most are starting in November and October). Any place that doesn't start celebrating christmas in july is behind the curve...

Feh. Me, I start christmas all year round. I MAKE the vast majority of my christmas presents, and therefore have to start early. I don't believe in the rampant commercialism out there, and I personally believe that a gift that comes from the heart is worth far more than a gift that comes from the wallet. The first christmas present I ever gave to my husband was a grey leather doublet, lined in navy blue velvet. Handmade. By me. Since I didn't know his parents well at the time, I made some christmas decorations and gave them as presents... The following year we went to his grandparents place, and I didn't know anyone except his immediate family... But I gave all of them some little homemade gift (mostly soaps and bath salts for the ladies)... And they were amazed that I'd gone through all the time to make each one of them something...

It's about giving something of yourself. It's not about buying out the store to show someone how much you love them. You wanna show how much you love them? Show them all year round, not just once a year.


11-19-2003, 12:20 PM
There are Xmas decorations on the lampposts in the wee town of Valhalla now. I rolled my eyes at them yeaterday morning, but then last night when I was coming home from school after dark, the lights on the decorations were on and the whole tiny strip looked so much brighter and more welcoming. The days here are so gray lately. I've gained a whole new appreciation for Xmas decorations after moving from TX to NY.

I detest Xmas, but I like seeing the wee twinkly lights.

11-20-2003, 10:59 AM
I admit that the decorations look nice and inviting. I wish we had other times of year where the towns or cities would decorate. I think it may help community spirit. It seems that some times that people only are told to be nice for certain times of the year. "Come on get in the spirit of the season." Some passerby might say.

:rant: Why can't we be in the giving and happy spirit all year round. Not everyday because, gods know I couldn't handle that. It would be nice for more than just one or 2 months out of the year.

Sorry for the mini rant again. I guess I have feelings about this stuff.
Getting off soap box.

11-20-2003, 05:53 PM
I missed my Thanksgiving last year because I got strep throat......yep no turkey, no family, no friends. :cry:

Just me home alone and NOT in the Mcaulley Culkin fun way..... :lol:

This time around.....I just got two wisdom teeth pulled this morning. I am hoping that by Turkey day I'll be able to chaw on some REAL food, despite the stiches.

11-20-2003, 06:17 PM

11-21-2003, 12:23 AM

LOL....it's OK and actually no ouch. I am sooooo lucky. I was worried I'd end up with chipmunk cheeks and major pain., but I lukced out. :bananada:

11-21-2003, 10:54 AM
I missed my Thanksgiving last year because I got strep throat......yep no turkey, no family, no friends. :cry:

This time around.....I just got two wisdom teeth pulled this morning. I am hoping that by Turkey day I'll be able to chaw on some REAL food, despite the stiches.

Well here is sending you lots of happy healing energy to help make sure you can have the turkey and eat it too.

11-21-2003, 12:26 PM
Hey if nothing else there is the Jones Soda with thanksgiving flavors...

11-24-2003, 06:19 PM
I agree with the whole too early seasone stuff.. like fall clothes on the fourth of july..???

and I also agree as a December B-day.. i get over looked....

Hey.. would it be asinine to throw myself a B-day party??? I dont need gifts.. i just want ppl to rememebr for once..
I do love the christmas rushy- rush.. and the people all getting to see families and old friends.. I LOVE to do Christmas cards because in December and January i allways seem to get a few notes and phone calls, lunch dates and coffe breaks with all the ppl who i lose track of over the year...
i also love the chance to dress up and give gifts.. and smell good smells and what not...

yes ther are asses this time of year but i TRY to embrace my friends and families young and old.. :)

I like thanksgiving because it makes me pause and appricate what i have.. and i use christmas time to show my love for my people.:)

espeically the ones who rememebr my bday... :)

yes.. because i was born on december 18th my mom named me holly:)