Phantom the movie

[Apropos]

GO SEE THE MOVIE

Oh my!!! I can't even begin to tell you how much I loved this movie!!!!

[Psyche]

This one is definitely on our list to see...

[KissMeKate]

It's on my to-see list too! But what I can't figure out is why both the reviews I read gave it 2 out of 4 stars. I have not been lucky enough to see Phantom on stage, but I do realize the difficulty of bringing a show from the stage to the screen. Or even from book to screen. HP and LOTR have been very good movies and kept to the main plot lines, but used different means to get to the same end for many of the plot twists. They didn't get bad reviews for not exactly following the book. Or is it because Phantom is a dark romance with no car chases and gun fights and therefore isn't a good movie?

[Dedeley]

The critics are probably giving it bad reviews because it doesn't star Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman, the original stars. I LOVE Phantom, saw it on stage, have the soundtracks, and sing the songs badly in the car.

I loved the movie. The guy playing the Phantom doesn't have a great singing voice, but he makes up for it with his acting and he's cute. Even disfigured, he's cute (it's the Scottish guy from Timeline.)

Costumes are gorgeous. I would kill for the pink rosebud number Christine appears in for the Masquerade Ball (I would also kill for the figure that looks good in a corset).

The music has always been great, over the top, lush and romantic - and the movie follows suit. If you love costume dramas, hoop skirts, sexy men, good music, and long, ringletted-hair, GO SEE IT. I was on Amazon today trying to buy the DVD on pre-release.

[Katerinka Kotenoka]

The reviews were bad because I think the reviewers have never heard or seen the play. They are only thinking in lines of the book and all the horror movies. They failed to notice the part of the movie where it has Andrew Lloyd Weber in front of the Phantom's title.
I saw it Sunday and loved it. I only didn't like how they changed certain words and the chandlier falling at a different time. I love the line where the Phantom says that she's singing to bring it down.
I love how it was cast. The girl playing Christine was in Songcatcher. Girl has an amazing voice.
Only thing I didn't like... the Phantom's face. If they can take 3 hours to put makeup on the guy who does the play.. why not the movie? It seemed like they couldn't decide whether or not to make him look like an acid victim or the elephant man. If they did one or the other, great, but it looked strange.
Overall, felt like I was watching it at the theater, except you can see everything. When you go and watch a play, no matter where you sit, you miss something! And the price was better on the pocketbook too.

[Fiona Freckl'dbottom]

The music has always been great, over the top, lush and romantic - and the movie follows suit. If you love costume dramas, hoop skirts, sexy men, good music, and long, ringletted-hair, GO SEE IT. I was on Amazon today trying to buy the DVD on pre-release.

Oh, I'm definitely seein' it...one way or another I'm buying the DVD. I loved the book and the stage performance, so I'm probably gonna love this. Then again, as you've said before, "If it's got a petticoat in it, I'll watch it."

Or as Leela put it, "costume drama movie slut." (I love that, btw.)

[Dedeley]

I love the Costume Drama Movie Slut moniker, too! I'm definitely one! Wish I lived in a costume drama movie . . . . . maybe that's why we're wenches - to act out some of those fantasies.

[Fiona Freckl'dbottom]

I love the Costume Drama Movie Slut moniker, too! I'm definitely one! Wish I lived in a costume drama movie . . . . . maybe that's why we're wenches - to act out some of those fantasies.

I agree, whether it's turn-of-the-century frocks like in The Great Race or in The Age of Innocence or Civil-War getup like in Gone With The Wind or in North and South, (which I just found out is available on DVD!) I would love to "act out some of those fantasies" as you put it.

[Strange Jane]

It was a most excellent film...I had tickets for opening night, but got iced out and saw it the next afternoon...and will probably go see it again and wish for it on IMAX.

[Katerinka Kotenoka]

Omigod! If Phantom was on Imax! That would be too amazing! But it seems from looking at the paper that they only put the kiddie movies on the Imax screen. :(

[Strange Jane]

They put Lord of the Rings and Matrix on IMAX, Why not Phantom?
Screw the polar express (no offence)

[Cassandra from VTRF]

Ok because of all of you raving about the movie, I set up TiVo last night to record it. *it was on the scifi channel here at 9 last night. I'm hoping to get to watch it some time today, depending on Poppet's mood, and if we have power.

Thanks for the suggestion.

The Shadow was also on, and I wish I could have TiVo'ed that too. I love that one.

EDIT: Wrong Phantom
:oops: :oops: :oops:

I remember when A&E had in on a few years ago. At that point I could sing every song in the movie. I have never seen a version in a theater though.

[Apropos]

Went again last night! OMG I can't get enough of this movie. Some idjit movie reviewer totally did not get this movie. Complained about Mimi Driver being too overdramatic...um yah, that's a prima donna..hello? Then said she didn't like the Phantom because this one you pitied you didn't fear him. Hmmm...wonder if she got the whole seduction part??? I dragged my SO to see this because he knows I am a total Phantom freak and he even understood it. It's explains a lot more than the musical does and still does not take anything away from Weber's vision. I don't think it will be a huge success because it is a musical, but it is still a great movie overall.

[Strange Jane]

I'm sorry but any creepy anti social obssessive guy living in an opera house should be feared!
I thought the whole cast was great!
I have had the songs stuck in my head!!!
I went and saw it a second time on New Years eve, When I saw it the first time I missed lot 665 and 666 which are key to the rest of the movie (I think), it made the end make a lot more sense.

I will be buying the DVD and Soundtrack!

[Gemdrite]

I'm sorry but any creepy anti social obssessive guy living in an opera house should be feared!
I thought the whole cast was great!
I have had the songs stuck in my head!!!
I went and saw it a second time on New Years eve, When I saw it the first time I missed lot 665 and 666 which are key to the rest of the movie (I think), it made the end make a lot more sense.

I will be buying the DVD and Soundtrack!

ok, maybe i didn't get it, or something, but i just got back from seeing this movie, and personally, it was not one of my favorite weber musicals. i really only liked one or two songs, and i felt like the movie dragged. however, after reading this, i am confused....lot 665? 666? i missed something somewhere....can someone please explain this to me?

[Strange Jane]

the opening scene is an auction of the opera house.

lot 665 was the phantoms monkey
and 666 was the chandalear(spelling?)
which starts into the movie...got it or still confused?

[Emrld]

also 665 - the song the Monkey plays is Masquarde (sp?)
The woman bidding is Meg
The Man is Roul

Also if you look at the implication behind the number 666 it fits with the Phatom image especailly when the chandalier falls where it does in the stage performance

I do like how they explained things more clearly in this version than they do in the stage version

I went with a friend who knew nothing of the story but is also in the ranks of period costume movie slut she loved it.

I have a feeling that the critics didn't like it because it is an Operetta. . . I think it should have had stage critics review it instead.

[Lady V]

I haven't seen the movie - yet - but...Cleolinda at Movies in 15 Minutes has done a parody that is *too* funny! Just on the basis of that, I'm planning on seeing the movie!

http://www.livejournal.com/community/m15m/

(If you can't access it, go to my LJ friends page and scroll down - it's there)

[Dedeley]

:lol:

I LOVE THAT PARODY! Thanks for posting it.

[Jezebel]

I had the whole score committed to memory back in the 80's, so I knew exactly (or so I thought) what the characters were going to say/sing before they even opened their mouths. I thought this movie was fantastic. There are so many more possibilities that open up for telling a story like this one on film than you could ever hope to pull off on stage, even if you had an unlimited budget. I have a few criticisms, but not many.

1) Why did they speak so many of the recititives? I admit I'm probably one of the very few who even noticed or was bothered by it, but for crying out loud, the words were rhyming! ALW wrote some very nice operatic dialogue which I personally felt should have been left alone (again, I have this thing completely memorized, note for note, so maybe nobody else noticed the changes but me).

2) Minnie Driver is an incredible actress but she's too young and too thin for the part physically. Sorry. She didn't do her own singing, either, which may be understandable to many, but after such incredible complete performances from all the other actors, I felt we got a little cheated. I think they could have found another unknown actress who would have fit the stereotypical age/body type better who could have actually sung the highly demanding role and still managed to blow us away with her acting prowess. I know, spoken like a true "unknown character actress just dying for her big break," but if I didn't think such a person existed out there, I wouldn't have said anything. Considering how many actresses have played the part on Broadway night after night, it's pretty obvious that such persons do exist, and therefore I don't think it would have been too much to ask for someone of their caliber to been given the role; I just think it would have been a better fit.

3) I expected the Phantom to be even more disfigured under the mask than he was. My expectations were pretty high, given that the entire movie was just so over-the-top (in a good way, I think), and with all of the advances made in special effects movie make-up since the time that the musical hit NYC, I guess I thought he'd look more like Freddy Krueger times 10 under that thing. I originally thought he was much too young for his role as well, until they unmasked him the final time and revealed that the Phantom was wearing a wig as well as a mask (sorry if I spoiled it for anyone), so the director/producers redeemed themselves for what I felt was a strange casting choice for a character who's supposed to be at least 30-40 years older than Christine.

Frankly, Meg Giry also seemed a like an unorthodox casting choice; I have never seen a ballerina with a figure as voluptuous as hers. It didn't bother me too much, since she doesn't have a huge role to play, but I noticed she didn't do much dancing either. I was a little disappointed at that.

Overall, I really liked the movie, and that's saying a lot because I generally loathe movie-musicals. The teenager playing Christine was simply breathtaking. The actor who played Raoul was simply perfect. Joan Allen as Mme. Giry was an excellent choice. The whole picture was a study in creating spectacle, and they did it splendidly. This one may actually make it onto my DVD shelves someday, along with Evita and Chicago. Well done!

[Fiona Freckl'dbottom]

Jezebel, I appreciate the review. When I see it, I'll keepwhat you wrote in mind so that way I won't be settin' myself up for a huge downfall or make the movie out to be more than it is.
It's highly likely I'll draw similar conclusions, even if I hadn't read this, since you're obviously as big a fan as I (because I also had the whole musical committed to memory back in H.S. and wanted to play Christine Da'ae. :oops: )

[Ysobelle]

I'm hoping to see this movie tomorrow, but remember one thing: back then, ballerinas were-- comparatively-- incredibly curvy little things. Ballet was very different then. Just take a look at some Degas paintings.

[Jezebel]

Oh, to be a ballerina back then! Of course, you'd still have to dance, regardless of how your body is shaped, so chances are I still wouldn't have made the cut. :sigh: Oh well. I don't really look good in tulle anyway.

BTW, Fiona, I, too, once shared the dream. The part is such a marvelous opportunity for a soprano to actually do some real singing for a change. Why do composers always give the sappy love ballads to the sopranos and give all the dramatic torch songs/character songs to the altos? It's not fair! :tantrum: But even more than Christine, I always wanted to be Carlotta - she had way cooler costumes! Someday, I'll be old enough to really do the part justice; right now I'm too old for Christine and too young for Carlotta, but good things come to those who wait! :wink:

[Gemdrite]

daBaroness - just wanted to let you know, Minnie Driver did do all the singing necessary for the part, but the higher ups decided to have someone else sing and use that instead. The song that plays during the credits, is Minnie actually singing. She is good!

I too thought the phantom should have been more disfigured, but after having seen the movie (never having seen the stage performance), I have decided that overall I really liked it, and have begun memorizing the soundtrack.

[Ysobelle]

Okay, lemme preface this by saying I've seen "Phantom" live three times-- twice under the chandelier, front and center at Her Majesty's Theatre in London. So yeah, I could be biased.

But I think the critics are middling on the movie, if they are, because it could have been better. Visually, it was absolutely gorgeous. The scenes in the dressing room? Wow. Fabulous use of colour. But the lighting let me down pretty seriously-- the rooftop "All I Ask Of You" left Raoul in shadow while making Christine glow like a lighthouse. And while, for the most part, the costumes were glorious, there were a few spots where I just thought, "Okay, that could have been more special." (Again, the rooftop.) I saw there was some attention to detail that just seemed a little unfinished-- I don't think it was as crisp and finished as it could have been.

I think it tried to walk the line between utter over-the-top camp and staying as realistic as possible without really deciding on which side of the line it was gonna come down. For a small example, the Phantom kept swirling his cape in a totally Big Dramatic Camp Way, but without a Big Dramatic Camp Movie under him, it came off a bit cheesy. Minnie Driver, on the other hand, was unto herself completely over the top, and absolutely brilliant in a chewing-the-scenery way, but she stood out a great deal because of it. I would have preferred much more of that level of drama.

Compare it, for a minute, to "Moulin Rouge," which was utterly over the top, but still utterly gorgeous, and still carrying a dramatic storyline with some subtlety. I would have loved to have seen what Baz Luhrman would have done with this.

Having said all that, I really, really enjoyed the movie, and it certainly wasn't a waste of five bucks by any stretch of the imagination. I did love it. I might even see it again, which, for me, is a really big thing, as my personal motto is, "If It's A Movie, I Haven't Seen It." Honest. I did like it. I just think it could have been better.

[Apropos]

'Phantom' Tailored for Moviegoers
Jan 20, 4:19 PM EST

The Associated Press

LOS ANGELES - "The Phantom of the Opera" required a makeover for his close-up. In its journey from stage to screen, Andrew Lloyd Webber's musical underwent some tailoring to mend the holes in the gothic love story.

For the nearly 80 million theatergoers around the world who have seen it since it debuted in 1986, here are some new things you'll see in the film:

THE CHANDELIER:

In the play, the Phantom sends the opera house's massive chandelier crashing to the stage right before the intermission.

(Story Continues Below...)

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Since films don't commonly have intermissions any more, Lloyd Webber said he proposed moving that famous moment to the end of the movie, which changes the climax of the story.

"It's a big change from the theater show if they analyze it, and I hope they don't," said the composer, who also served as screenwriter and producer. "What the Phantom's doing is destroying the whole world he loved by that one action. It's very different from what it is in the theater, which is a vague act of revenge toward Christine."

AUTHENTIC AGES:

The story involves the Phantom, a mysterious masked man, who manipulates the young opera house chorus girl, Christine, by speaking to her from the shadows and pretending to be the ghost of her dead father. He then unleashes his rage when she falls in love with another man, her childhood sweetheart Raoul.

Lloyd Webber, a fan of Joel Schumacher's vampire thriller "The Lost Boys," asked him to work as the musical film's director because he enjoyed the filmmaker's blending of song and action in previous movies.

"I said I'll do it on the condition that Christine be very young. She's supposed to be a teenager, and there's an innocence about this character so she must be young," Schumacher said.

For the film, the composer and director selected Emmy Rossum, who was 16 and turned 17 during filming as Christine, and Gerard Butler, who was 34, as the Phantom. Onstage, the characters are usually played by much older actors.

"It makes her more vulnerable. I wanted the relationship with the Phantom to be more of a sexual, passionate, darker, more obsessive, more destructive relationship," Schumacher said. "She's in the spell of her dead father ... and who's this voice speaking to her? I think if she's older, you just want to smack her. `Will you grow up please? There's no ghost here, girl.'"

PHANTOM HISTORY:

How did the Phantom come to live in the underground lake below the Paris opera house?

Although the stage show doesn't answer the question, the movie includes a flashback sequence to put his past into perspective.

"I said to Andrew that movie audiences need whys and wherefores. `Why? Who is the Phantom? How did he get there?'" Schumacher said.

Lloyd Webber said moviegoers will get a taste of "the backstory of the Phantom, what he was like as a little boy. That was fun."

It also explains the Phantom's relationship with get a better understanding of his relationship with Madame Giry, played by Miranda Richardson, the opera's ballet mistress, who is his protector and seems to be the only one who understands his motivations.

NEW SONGS:

Minnie Driver, who plays the arrogant, devious soprano Carlotta, is a singer in real life — but not an opera singer.

Driver is the only cast member whose screen singing is performed by another person. "I wanted a comic actress for obvious reasons," Schumacher said. "It's played very broad, a character to make fun of. I haven't found too many opera singers who can make fun of themselves."

But Driver gets to show off her pipes with a new song Lloyd Webber and lyricist Charles Heart wrote for the closing credits, "Learn To Be Lonely," which has a more contemporary feel.

Lloyd Webber also wrote a new song for the Phantom to sing in the movie, but it was ultimately cut from the final version. Look for it on the DVD's deleted scenes.

"It just stopped the movie. It was a lovely song, and it was a sort of inner monologue of the Phantom's, and it was actually information we knew already, about his longing for Christine. But we know that," Schumacher said.

HERO ON A WHITE HORSE:

The movie expands on the scene that opens the play, with Raoul as a frail old man who attends an auction of items from the now defunct opera house. That sequence now extends to various points throughout the movie and supplies a twist ending not included in the play.

Patrick Wilson, who appeared on Broadway in the most recent revival of "Oklahoma!" and in the TV adaptation of Tony Kushner's "Angels in America," got the part of Raoul, but said the character was written too thinly for the stage.

"Raoul's one of those roles where you're the third one down the cast list, the second guy. He's the solid guy," he said. "They wanted to make the movie more heroic, more energized, more passionate, so it only made sense to have Raoul more active and doing stunts. We gave him a real fight."

In the movie, Schumacher and Lloyd Webber said they wanted Raoul to be more dashing — a hero who literally rides on a white horse to save Christine and lock swords with the Phantom.

"I really wanted him to be a real person. I made him into an action hero here," Schumacher said. "Patrick is the kind of guy where if your daughter brings him home you're happy. And Gerry's the kind of boy where, if she brings him home, you lock her up."

Wilson said the movie manifests many of the things from the play that had to be imagined.

"You finally get to see the lair and the water. You finally get inside the Phantom's eyes and really see the passion in his eyes and the disfigurement and what he's fighting," he said. "You get to see all these things happening. The chandelier really falls, and really explodes and really catches on fire. It becomes a very visceral experience."


Copyright 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[MaryDane]

LOVED IT!! Can't get the songs out of my head!!

I've seen it live before at the Kennedy Center! Ah! Wonderful! I get the feeling the critics are canning it as a 'movie'. Just because of who they are, I'm sure they've seen a live production of this. I just bet they wanted something more 'movie-ish' and less 'stage'. It's just two different perspectives of the stage. Not a completely new movie of the Phantom.

I think this movie filled in a lot of holes that a stage just can't fill in. Long running scenes winding through the tunnels, and catwalks of backstage. The close-ups. I would so see this again!

[Apropos]

SQUEEEEEEEEEE...my daughter just called to say she got tickets for Phantom tonight for her and I..it's on our Ultra Screen...think size of IMAX with the same surround sound, just no 3-D. Phantom on a 70 x 30 screen!!!!!!!!

[Ysobelle]

SQUEEEEEEEEEE...my daughter just called to say she got tickets for Phantom tonight for her and I..it's on our Ultra Screen...think size of IMAX with the same surround sound, just no 3-D. Phantom on a 70 x 30 screen!!!!!!!!


So? What'd you think?

[Blue Pixie]

I seen the movie (haven't seen the stage performance), and I love some of the part- love the singing (I love to sing), but for some reason I expected more- but then again I was really ant-c and I wanted to move around (must go see it without sugar!)

[Apropos]

So? What'd you think?

It was incredible. The entire movie theater was purchased by the local opera club as a fundraiser. We got to have real singers sing some of the songs and some others that should have been sung by a large lady in a viking hat...I really don't get the whole opera scene. People were dressed as the characters...ala Rocky Horror. We had horse devores and we all got roses with black ribbons tied on them. It was a total experience. The movie on that large of a screen was quite intimidating. My personal fav, when the Phantom is on the rooftop on the gargoyle and his cape is flapping. The surround sound was great since the voices came out of different speakers to get better effect. Now I can't wait for the movie to come out on DVD. [/code]

[Gemdrite]

I seen the movie (haven't seen the stage performance), and I love some of the part- love the singing (I love to sing), but for some reason I expected more- but then again I was really ant-c and I wanted to move around (must go see it without sugar!)

See, this is exactly how I felt when I went and saw it. I love singing, love Andew Lloyd Webber, but couldn't sit still long enough. I usually watch movies while doing other things, like reading, listening to music, doing homework and/or a multitude of other things. But I love the soundtrack, love singing it, sing it almost everyday.

[AshleyTheWench]

Okay, I saw that movie 21 times and I am STILL going through withdrawls. I am so eagerly awaiting May 3rd when it comes out on DVD

Everyone:

Get the TWO DISC dvd, the single disc will have NO extra features at all.

[Winifred Baskerville]

Okay, I saw that movie 21 times and I am STILL going through withdrawls. I am so eagerly awaiting May 3rd when it comes out on DVD

Everyone:

Get the TWO DISC dvd, the single disc will have NO extra features at all.

21 times? Wow! I wish I had the means to have done that... I just saw it three times. Then again, if I'd seen it more I would've found even more things to laugh at/ be annoyed with, Gerry included.

I can't wait for the extras! Deleted scenes! Featurettes! Commentary! I like to know what the director's were thinking...

WInB

[Lady Sarah]

21 times? Wow! I wish I had the means to have done that... I just saw it three times. Then again, if I'd seen it more I would've found even more things to laugh at/ be annoyed with, Gerry included.

I can't wait for the extras! Deleted scenes! Featurettes! Commentary! I like to know what the director's were thinking...

WInB

OK, I have to ask...

why be annoyed with Gerry? :?:

[Strange Jane]

I only got to see it twice....
May 3rd?? Awesome that is 4 days before my birthday...wooo hoooo!!!

[AshleyTheWench]

I loved Gerry, I want to have his rougely scottish babies.

From what i heard there will be NO Audio commnetaries and only ONE deleted scene and thats the song that ALW wrote just for hte movie called No one would listen

[Lady Sarah]

I loved Gerry, I want to have his rougely scottish babies.

From what i heard there will be NO Audio commnetaries and only ONE deleted scene and thats the song that ALW wrote just for hte movie called No one would listen

if that's the case, he wrote two songs for the movie, becasue "Learn to be lonely" was also written for the movie.

it's his eyes... yeah... his eyes.....

and voice....

phheeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... GOOD MORNING!!! :lol:

[Winifred Baskerville]

OK, I have to ask...

why be annoyed with Gerry? :?:

I love Gerry, but sometimes he annoys me. Case in point: the Cape. Fantastically cheesy... Other things, too, that are way beyond his control: He reminds me of a semi-obnoxious-tho-sweet guy I went to school with, and the construction of the mask made him have to move his lips strangely to sing...

Need to watch it again (and again, and again, and again) to be sure why I'm annoyed with him, actually.

Mostly annoyed with Raoul, tho, and some other technical glitches.

But I love Gerry. Really, I do...

WinB

[Lady Sarah]

I love Gerry, but sometimes he annoys me. Case in point: the Cape. Fantastically cheesy... Other things, too, that are way beyond his control: He reminds me of a semi-obnoxious-tho-sweet guy I went to school with, and the construction of the mask made him have to move his lips strangely to sing...

Need to watch it again (and again, and again, and again) to be sure why I'm annoyed with him, actually.

Mostly annoyed with Raoul, tho, and some other technical glitches.

But I love Gerry. Really, I do...

WinB

~L~

the cape he had no control over. talk to the wardrobing dept and ALW on that one...

and yes, I'm sure that the mask did hinder his singing... it didn't do wonders for Crawford either - and when you consider the make up that was used for his deformities,... eh.. ~L~

and I never cared for Raoul. waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy too pansy. Can I smack Christine?

just checking! off to mark up my calendar and wish May 3 here faster!!

[AshleyTheWench]

:sings the I love gerry and I will have his babies song:

now now raoul isnt that bad--oh god what the hell am I saying? Patrick Wilson makes him adorable, so I forgive him.

Mmmm May 3rd. Screw the fact itsmy grandparents 52nd wedding anniversary...lol

[Ysobelle]

~L~

the cape he had no control over. talk to the wardrobing dept and ALW on that one...




I don't think it's the cape itself so much as the Big Bad-Guy Swirly Thing he kept doing with it. THAT was just...annoying-- see my post a page or so back.

[Winifred Baskerville]

I don't think it's the cape itself so much as the Big Bad-Guy Swirly Thing he kept doing with it. THAT was just...annoying-- see my post a page or so back.

Yeah... I loved the cape, just not all the flipping around he did with it. It's hard to not swirl it around, I know, but yeah, it got annoying.

*goes to find Ysobelle's post*

WInB