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Lady Laurel
03-01-2005, 02:54 PM
He looks like anybodys neighbor next door. This guy is truly spookey.


WICHITA, Kansas (CNN) -- Dennis Rader, the man suspected of being the infamous BTK killer, appeared via a video link Tuesday as a judge read 10 first-degree murder charges against him.

District Judge Greg Waller read the charges and asked Rader if he understood.

"Yes sir," Rader replied.

The suspect was dressed in an orange jumpsuit on the video signal from the Sedgwick County Jail, a common practice in initial court hearings for murder suspects.

Waller also formally set the bail for Rader at $10 million and appointed a public defender to represent him at the next hearing, scheduled for March 15.

"Thank you, sir," Rader said at the conclusion of the five-minute hearing.

Rader is charged a string of murders that terrorized the region across three decades attributed to the self-named BTK killer, whose signature was a preference to bind, torture and kill his victims. The earliest was in 1974; the last linked to BTK was in 1991.

Prosecutors cannot seek the death penalty because it was reinstated in Kansas in 1994, three years after the last known BTK killing.

The 59-year-old city employee, who is president of his Lutheran church council, has not made a public statement.

Until his arrest Friday in what authorities said was a routine traffic stop, Rader worked as a compliance supervisor for Park City in charge of animal control, nuisances, inoperable vehicles and general code compliance. He is married with two grown children.

Rader has a degree from Wichita State University in administration of justice and worked for a home security company from the mid 1970s to the late 1980s -- a job that involved going into people's homes. It was not known whether any homes Rader entered for work became the sites of BTK killings.

Some who know Rader described him as affable and pleasant. But several of his neighbors said he was arrogant and petty. (Full story)

daBaroness
03-01-2005, 05:13 PM
Living in Kansas City- with friends who reside in Wichita - this case is pretty spooky. It's definitely a reminder that you just don't know about people. Apparently his family is so stunned they've gone into hiding. I can't EVEN begin to imagine ...

I have a sense his conscience got to him and he wanted to be caught and tried for his crimes - otherwise why would he have resurfaced last year and continued to send clues to his identity. I'm inclined to believe had he just wanted the attention, he'd have murdered more people. But there's no risk of too many people feeling that he's in any way reformed or remorseful about his actions - had that been the case, he'd have just turned himself in with the evidence rather than jerk people around for another year.

I know in these situations, there are always people who are absolutely stunned and simply can't believe someone they know could be capable of such unspeakable evil - but it's just that disbelief that his sort depend on to get away with their atrocities. Personally - I hope the guy fries. Unfortunately - Kansas is a quirky state - they want to outlaw the teaching of evolution in public schools and they don't like the death penalty.

I still have to wonder what kind of people his family members are and what has gone on behind THEIR closed doors.

Cyranno DeBoberac
03-01-2005, 05:20 PM
I have a sense his conscience got to him and he wanted to be caught and tried for his crimes - otherwise why would he have resurfaced last year and continued to send clues to his identity.

All serial killers want to eventually get caught, and not from remorse. It's part of the pathology; that's how they claim the "glory".

KissMeKate
03-01-2005, 05:42 PM
All serial killers want to eventually get caught, and not from remorse. It's part of the pathology; that's how they claim the "glory".

I agree. If he is who the police think he is, it's been 30 years since the first known murder. 30 years! And who knows what he was doing before he got to the actual killing part.

Plus, even if he doesn't get the death penalty, there's always the chance someone will do him in in prison. After all isn't that what happened to Dahmer?

Lady Laurel
03-02-2005, 09:49 AM
The news is saying he killed only a few people but I wonder while he was out of site if he killed more people and just did not leave any clues like he did the others.
Man what a sick mind he must have.
One of the murdered womens child watched through a key hole while his mom was murdered. He was on the news last night.

KissMeKate
03-02-2005, 11:27 AM
That poor kid! I can't imagine the mental and emotional trauma that would cause.

03-02-2005, 04:18 PM
Most serial killers are just the guy next door (with a few female exceptions).
They tend to be above average in intelligence and yes, they want the glory.

They have these deep feelings of the pride behind their murders and the way they went about it and not being caught for periods of time.

This is part of the reason they keep an item or a memento of the event, to remind them selves of what a good job they did.

Most serial crimes are sexually related. And not even that serial killers need to rape their victims, but the pleasure derived from the murders usually makes for a sexually heightened state before during and after.

There was one guy who never raped his victims, but did have a bunch of sex with his wife after the murders would take place. She said he could not get enough for a short period of time (very paraphrased here from memory) around the murders. I believe one of the words she used to describe it was he would ravage her, and not against her will, just he was so much more aggressive.

Muffin

daBaroness
03-02-2005, 04:38 PM
I agree it's part of the pathology ... which is why I just don't get that type of personality or pathology.

This guy is president of his church congregation - which also often seems to be the pathology of sickos. Apparently the congregation is taking on a huge amount of guilt for not having a clue about the monster at the helm.

Just shows to go ya - ya just never know 'bout some folks. Sadly, it seems more and more monsters dwell among us.

And Bush is worried about same-sex marriage ... sheesh

03-02-2005, 05:29 PM
It is not that there are more and more, it is that there is more media that is world wide.

Things like this have been going on for a very long time.

They tend to enjoy the double life. Being ABLE to be the church conregation president AND kill people (or just knowing he did kill people).

And there have been rumors flying about whether he killed so many more while he was "dorment". These I have to wait and see. It would not suprise me if he did, but I will not go into my thoughts on him just yet. I need to get them down in word soon becauwe I have a few theories of my own I want to explore with one of the forensic psych professors in the next few weeks.

Muffin