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Drea Beth
04-14-2005, 11:18 PM
The following link is not suitable to open at work (there are hardcore ads on the site): http://www.top-sex.info/05/020/

With that said, the pictures contained are of women in garb specifically photographed and posted for their "assets". I don't recognize anyone, but to me the photo's don't look posed, which makes me wonder if they're being used without permission. Curious if anyone recognizes anyone and can perhaps verify if permission was granted to the poster.

Ysobelle
04-14-2005, 11:56 PM
I've informed Elf. I know she's pretty slammed at the moment, but she has all the information from the LAST time. As does Theresa. I even have some of it.

This'll get handled.

biker
04-15-2005, 12:44 AM
wonder if its the same asshat has last time.

Jessa
04-15-2005, 01:08 AM
Last time?

Ysobelle
04-15-2005, 01:19 AM
Yes. Most of the photos on the page you see linked above were on a site called TopHeavy.com. They were taken care of. Then.

I'm going through the archives now, unfortunately, and it looks like most, if not all, of the photos are back up. I'm frustrated and pissed to ask this, but if you remember your photo was on this site before-- TopHeavy.com-- please go look at the archives and see if it's there. I'm finding most of them in the "plump" section in 2002-2003. If you know who the women in the photos are, please also let me know. PM or email me-- I'm going to compile all the information. Send me the URL of the specific photo, what archive it's in, and the name of the woman in it.

Don't go after the site yet, though. We'll get to that. Oh, will we ever.

Ysobelle
04-15-2005, 01:22 AM
wonder if its the same asshat has last time.


Yes. It's the same photographer and the same photos. The question is, did he give permission to have his photos reposted to TopHeavy/imported to this new site, or was this done without his knowledge? Either way, I'd love to settle this with a bat and a locked room. But there are better ways.

Psyche
04-15-2005, 07:32 AM
We are *not* happy that the pictures are back up on TopHeavy. :evil: Not at all.

RichardMacHugely
04-15-2005, 09:26 AM
I can't access this site from work, but as soon as I get home, I'm going to look at every picture very carefully . . . . .to. . .um. . .see if I recognize anyone. Yeah.




Seriously though, as much as I admire wenchly assets, I think it is pretty slimey to take exploitative candids of people and post them on the internet where they can be the subject of unwanted attention, ridicule, etc. That's just wrong.

Buxom Wench
04-15-2005, 09:50 AM
:evil: I went to the site -- AARRGGHH !!!!!

From my name that I use on this site, you should be able to determine that I am "well endowed", even AFTER a reduction.
The picture that disturbed me the most was NOT one you could get to by a different URL. In fact, it looked EXACTLY like the photo the surgeon took of ME before my surgery.
Since I cannot get the picture any larger to be sure, I can't be posiitive it is me.
It makes me VERY uncomfortable to think that there may be legitimate photos being used for illegitimate reasons.
I'm just thankful that a face isn't shown. :oops:
*not a very happy wench at the moment* :cry:

biker
04-15-2005, 09:50 AM
is this guy that much of a idiot Ysobelle?

Eric McTavish
04-15-2005, 09:51 AM
Well ther are a couple of shot there on how NOT to wear a bodice! :shock:

Good luck girls Go get 'em!

Nevada
04-15-2005, 10:21 AM
I remember him :evil: ....I am all for a few rattlesnakes down his pants....slimy s.o.b.

Ariel
04-15-2005, 10:51 AM
I am at work and can't look at the site right now, but since it was my pictures on the top heavy site that started the whole thing the last time I'm guessing those same pictures are back on this site. I'm going to have my boyfriend check in a little bit, I'll let him wake up a bit more before I call him. And if my pictures are back up on that site, can I just say, WHY???? Those were horrible pictures of me from before I lost weight. Bastards!!!! I don't like being exploited and having my pictures used in this fashion. I'm pissed again for the women being used like this, even if I was lucky enough to not be included this time (that remains to be seen). I want heads to roll and I don't mean the ones on top of their shoulders.

Phoenix McHeit
04-15-2005, 10:54 AM
I want heads to roll and I don't mean the ones on top of their shoulders.

:rofl: What a beautiful statement!!! Well Said!!!:aok:

Ysobelle
04-15-2005, 11:38 AM
I'm pretty ragingly furious myself. But don't worry-- we WILL take care of this. Elf still has all the old files, and she sent them to Alison last night. I went through most of TopHeavy again myself-- cringe.

And the part I love most? The guy who took most of the California pictures is a Rogue.


Christ.

If you see your photos, let me know!

RichardMacHugely
04-15-2005, 11:47 AM
The guy who took most of the California pictures is a Rogue.

Is this a matter we Rogues should take up with our guild? Perhaps there is a suitable disciplinary measure that can be enacted against this man.

I mean, sure, we're supposed to be Rogues, Scoundrels, and Cads, but not in REAL LIFE.

Ysobelle
04-15-2005, 11:57 AM
If it turns out that the guy in question is involved again, and this has happened with his knowledge, he WILL be taken care of. Unfortunately, that might prove difficult to establish. It's entirely possible the photos were stolen.

The new site is registered in Poland, which makes things more interesting, if not neccessarily more difficult.

Like I said, though, an hour or so in a locked room with a baseball bat and I'm good. After that, we might let the boys come and play.

Theresa Grant
04-15-2005, 01:14 PM
I'm on it. Again. Attorney has been contacted. Again.

I will be on site at RPFS opening day. If I see a certain someone with a camera, he'll be swallowing his hardware. Take that as you need to.

Meanwhile -- Ladies, if you need a refresher course as to who to watch for, and all that, see me at RPFS. It's best not discussed in that kind of detail on boards right now, as the guy will most likely find this thread.

Jesus. Just when the word "retirement" was entering my vocabulary...

Theresa Grant
04-15-2005, 01:16 PM
Oh, one other thing, directed to the Rogues more specifically: No one blames you for the actions of one of your members. That said, I could hope that in this situation, which has nothing to do with faire personaes and everything to do with your wives, lovers, sisters, daughters, and children, that you'll stand up with us as we shut this guy down hard-core.

Phoenix McHeit
04-15-2005, 01:22 PM
I'm on it. Again. Attorney has been contacted. Again. **snip**
Jesus. Just when the word "retirement" was entering my vocabulary...

As far as I've heard, there's no one better to handle this. Thank you.

Holly
04-15-2005, 04:45 PM
Thanks gals.. I just got back to my side of the state and i am mad to hear this shit is up and at em again. However, I know you gals will be able to kick ass..

as always..

'Nise
04-15-2005, 07:56 PM
Note the presence of the child with the blanked out face in the ads....if there is anything I can do please let me know....I don't recognize anyone from my neck of the woods right now.
Love
'Nise

Ysobelle
04-15-2005, 08:43 PM
Most of the photos seem to be from RPFS, so spread the word, especially if you know anyone from around there. Please tell me the names of ANYONE you know in those photos, as we need to know if there are any model release forms for anyone. We're running under the assumption that there aren't, of course, but we need to know.

Mistress Morigianna
04-16-2005, 05:40 AM
I was wondering if this was just pleaseure faire southern
or some of the others.

I recconize some of my costumes (from the rack- so I can't trace specific owners;-(
and our hats we sell and such but don't see our booth in any backgrounds
but we have never had a booth at southern- just most of the other faires.

Now it makes me wonder again when the guys ask for me to pose for pictures in the booth.

last time i said to someone it was not allowed for website use with out my permission
they looked at me funny and said 'uh, it's just for my own - uh- use." LOL

grumble grumble

Ysobelle
04-16-2005, 06:29 AM
If you can help identify the faire in any of the photos, that'd be great, too! One of the reasons we were able to get all the photos pulled last year was because REC stepped in.

That, and Theresa knows an excellent lawyer.

Alianne
04-16-2005, 07:25 PM
Y'know, at the risk of sounding very contrary, *we* could curtail some of this ourselves by doing a few simple things:

1. Make sure your bodice is right for your body type and fitted properly. You have two breasts. It shouldn't look like you have *four*, for example.

2. Knowing the difference between 'cleavage' and 'heavage'.

3. Not parading around a fairegrounds with one's breasts spilling completely over a bodice or belt and making sure one's chemise is up over one's nipples.

rosefaeries
04-16-2005, 08:20 PM
Y'know, at the risk of sounding very contrary, *we* could curtail some of this ourselves by doing a few simple things:

1. Make sure your bodice is right for your body type and fitted properly. You have two breasts. It shouldn't look like you have *four*, for example.

2. Knowing the difference between 'cleavage' and 'heavage'.

3. Not parading around a fairegrounds with one's breasts spilling completely over a bodice or belt and making sure one's chemise is up over one's nipples.



That is all well and good. But if I am reading this thread right, most of the pictures do not have permission to be up on that website. Also isn't this a bit like blaming the rape victim for the crime? And from what little I saw of the photos, most of the women appear to be unaware that the photos were taken. And with today's technology you can't know for certain under what circumstances the pictures were taken in. I have a binocular digital camera that enables me to take pictures from a great distance. The photos look like I took them from mere feet away instead of some place where someone couldn't see me.

Speaking as someone who is busty, it makes me very mad that these women were targeted solely because they were overly blessed. (my grandmother's phrase for it.)

Alianne
04-16-2005, 08:29 PM
Y'know, at the risk of sounding very contrary, *we* could curtail some of this ourselves by doing a few simple things:

1. Make sure your bodice is right for your body type and fitted properly. You have two breasts. It shouldn't look like you have *four*, for example.

2. Knowing the difference between 'cleavage' and 'heavage'.

3. Not parading around a fairegrounds with one's breasts spilling completely over a bodice or belt and making sure one's chemise is up over one's nipples.



That is all well and good. But if I am reading this thread right, most of the pictures do not have permission to be up on that website. Also isn't this a bit like blaming the rape victim for the crime? And from what little I saw of the photos, most of the women appear to be unaware that the photos were taken. And with today's technology you can't know for certain under what circumstances the pictures were taken in. I have a binocular digital camera that enables me to take pictures from a great distance. The photos look like I took them from mere feet away instead of some place where someone couldn't see me.

Speaking as someone who is busty, it makes me very mad that these women were targeted solely because they were overly blessed. (my grandmother's phrase for it.)

No, it's not the same as blaming the victim for the crime. It's being smart, responsible and making ourselves less of a target for the skeevoids of the world who think this sort of thing is acceptable. Distance wouldn't matter for squat if one kept the bulk of one's assets from spilling completely over a bodice or pulling one's chemise down so low that your nipples show.

Hey, I'm busty, too. I'm definitely overly blessed.

However, there's simply *no way* that I would ever dress in such a way to add fuel to a skeevoid's fire. My bodices fit. My chemises stay up. More often than not, I'm tucking the girls *in*. Yes, I show cleavage, but no more than I might in a deep 'v' neck top.

I'm aware that when I have my pin on (and at other times, when I've either worked at a faire or have been on cast) that I represent the guild (or the faire). I would *never* display myself in such a way that I would either give the guild a bad name or reflect badly upon the faire I'm either working or performing at. I'm aware that 'danes often don't know the difference between a playtron and cast and I try to dress and behave appropriately...people come up wanting photos with their children, or Grampa, or whoever, and they don't know I'm just there 'playing'. To them, garb = cast/worker/'official person'.

rosefaeries
04-16-2005, 08:47 PM
I do agree with the dressing appropriately. I don't go around with everything hanging out either. However, if the photos were put on the site without permission, that is a crime. And I still feel that you came across as blaming the victims for the crime. Let's just agree to disagree on this.

Distance does make a difference if one thinks that you are not being observed. We had a problem similiar to this happen at a powwow. The photos were taken from a distance away . The women who were caught (and I was one of them) had no idea they were being photographed while fixing their outfits or getting into their outfits. And even a few nursing their babies. This was an outdoor event (in the middle of a national forest. Changing in an outhouse was not an option) and we were at a location set aside for us to change into our regalia. Privacy screens were put up but no roof. We were not aware that the photos had been taken until some of them started turning up. I was lucky that I wasn't caught in a more revealing photo. But that doesn't change the fact that the man who took the photos and was selling copies of them was the one who was doing wrong. Not me.
Until you know what circumstances the photos were taken under, you can't judge the women. And I did notice that the angles that some of the shots were taken from were chosen to make the woman appear even more busty.

I'Cin
04-16-2005, 10:10 PM
Looking at the "wench" pictures on the first page, except for one or two, none of them look like they've gone out of their way to be too far over the line, at least I don't think so. The woman in the dusty rose dress has a pewter pin with burgundy and silver ribbons -- looks very like cast pins I've seen places but (a) I can't see what the pin is; (b)I don't recognize the colors from anyplace I've been (that I can think of) and; (c) I can't imagine any cast person anywhere leaving her top open like that and wearing sunglasses - she's obviously out in the crowd.

And does one of them look like she's being rogued?

scurvy perverts with cameras . . . . go get'em.

I'Cin

Ysobelle
04-17-2005, 04:54 AM
It's not so much just the women on the Top-Sex site. They're not so bad. But Leah and I remember the women on the TopHeavy site-- and you can still go and see the photos. The #@%$ webmaster's put most of them back up.

I don't think this is a case of blame-the-victim. I think we all desperately want to believe we're "safe" in our fantasy world at faire, surrounded by our friends, and helpful security, and familiar faces. But we're not. When faires like NYRF run radio spots about hot babes, and Maxim calls us "loose," we have to wake up and say, "We have idiots out there who will BELIEVE that shit and take advantage of us." Because they will. It happens all the time. These are just the pictures we know about. We have no way of knowing if the guy who snaps a shot of us at the booth is going to put it with his collection of fun people he met at faire, or go home, blow our tits up to an 8x10 glossy, and sit there jerking off all night.

Clinging to the thought that we should dress how we like, do what we like, and behave how we like is also clinging to the illusion that having our pictures put up on softcore porn sites just can't possibly happen. It's a nice thought, but sadly, it ain't necessarily so. I like wearing really comfy old dresses with gaping raggedy holes in them around the house. I wouldn't dream of wearing them in public. I'm an idealist, but I'm also an intelligent adult: I know the world I WANT to live in isn't the world I DO live in. And I know that if I choose to pull my chemise down and hike up my breasts, there's every possibility that some asshole could choose to take a fetish shot of me. I can do whatever I want, yeah, but I have to face the consequences of that action.

Is it fair? Is it right? Hell, no. But is it an unfortunate reality? Well, yeah. I wish it weren't, but there it is. I absolutely agree that a woman should be able to show off her body if she chooses, and it infuriates me beyond belief that some perverted asshole who thought he was just being one of the boys has violated my sisters like this. But I also have to acknowledge that while some women are beautifully and intelligently dressed, there are some who have their breasts so far out of their bodices they should have someone following them with a net, just in case. And that's just stupid. Willfully naive and stupid.

We create a magical, idealised world when we're at faire. But we're being just plain dumb if we forget or deliberately ignore the fact that we're not the only ones who go there.

Alianne
04-17-2005, 02:47 PM
Thank you for getting it, Ysobelle.

I'm still feeing rather insulted that, after explaining myself clearly, that I would still be accused of 'blaming the victim'.

Getting caught by a skeevoid while changing garb or nursing a child is *hardly* the same thing as finishing up dressing and *then* parading around on the fairegrounds heaving all over the place. To me, that's an apples/oranges discussion, since I don't remember *any* of those photos appearing to have caught a women in the process of dressing or undressing or nursing a child.

And on the new site, some of them do appear as if the woman were posing for the camera, so they're not all 'long distance, no one had a clue' shot. And that's also fine. If you know you're posing, rock on. But if you do, then be prepared, like Ysobelle said, to expect repercussions from your actions.

Dmitri
04-18-2005, 09:20 AM
First this guy needs to be dealt with... But seeing that the site is in another country now that could prove more difficult. There are several german sites that have my products, with MY picture in them (selling them as their products) and I have not been get them to take them down.

That being said ,I only looked at the link above not the whole topheavy site. Of the images there, I find that most of the women are "flaunting" their assets inappropriately for a family faire. While I might appreciate the hint of nipple above the chemise or standing at attention under thin fabric... It is not suitable for a family show... as weel as several of the women are wearing their bodices wrong... Hence the targeting.

Does this mean blame the victim? no. Does this mean hey girls get a fucking clue? yes it does...

Lady Sarah
04-18-2005, 09:32 AM
I have to admit, I clicked the link and immediately closed the new window once I saw the girls on the page hanging out in all of their lackluster "glory".

I try REALLY hard not to be picky about what other women wear to Faire, but when it crosses the line from tastefully tacky into trashy, I just can't abide by it. None of those women displayed were dressing to enhance their assets. They were fishing with baited hooks. Does this mean they deserve to be taken advantage of in this manner? Hell no. I'm not blaming them. god's sake I'm not! Whomever took the pictures should be hung by his scrotum. But there is such a thing as taking responsibility for yourselves and doing all you can to prevent yourself from being taken advantage of like this.

Ladies, Yso and Alianne are right. Keep the corset in place, wear it tastefully, and dress to flaunt, not flout. I'm a rather large gal myself, as anyone who's seen my pictures can attest to. But I keep it reined in and covered. #1 - I don't really care for sun burnt nipples. Not only are they on the painful side, but the itching is is murder. #2 - it's uncomfortable to me to have that much of me exposed or unsupported. #3 - I was raised that a lady never exposed more than a glimpse and last but not least, #4 - while showing as much as possible may get you the instant gratification, it's the mystery, the hint, the wanting to see more that draws them back again, and again, and again. As Garfield says "It's not the having, it's the getting."

Good luck, Yso and Teresa, in nabbing this bastard.

Miracle Wench
04-18-2005, 11:41 AM
someone has too much time on there hands :x

MisRed
04-19-2005, 01:01 PM
I have to admit, I clicked the link and immediately closed the new window once I saw the girls on the page hanging out in all of their lackluster "glory".

Ladies, Yso and Alianne are right. Keep the corset in place, wear it tastefully, and dress to flaunt, not flout. .#3 - I was raised that a lady never exposed more than a glimpse and last but not least, #4 - while showing as much as possible may get you the instant gratification, it's the mystery, the hint, the wanting to see more that draws them back again, and again, and again. As Garfield says "It's not the having, it's the getting."


Unfortunately, this lesson is one that seems to be ignored in quite a few circles. In our "Wenching 101" documentation, Local 96 talks about what we are, and what we are /not/, as well as discussi what is /appropriate/ Faire wear.

It's not "blaming the victim" it is being responsible for your actions and knowing the consequences. While, from what I have seen, there are some ladies in "candid" shots, many of them are posing, and probably "adjusted" before the shot was taken.

It's all part of the perception of the Guild as a whole and what we /choose/ to be. Yeah, it's hard to fight against the "I don't cares" but it's people like Ysobelle and Theresa that keep the "fun" high while keeping the "regulation" low.

Keep up the good work! and thank Elf for all of her work!