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Nevada
05-18-2005, 08:51 AM
Demands?! Oh, really. I seem to remember several judicial filibusters when Clinton was in office...

Bush demands vote on judges
Bipartisan group works on Senate filibuster deal
Wednesday, May 18, 2005 Posted: 7:28 AM EDT (1128 GMT)



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- With a showdown over his judicial nominees looming in the Senate, President Bush demanded Tuesday that senators approve those picks without further delay.

"In the last two elections, the American people made clear they want judges who will faithfully interpret the law, not legislate from the bench," Bush told a Republican Party event Tuesday evening.

"I have a duty to nominate well-qualified men and women to the federal judiciary. I have done just that, and I will continue to do so," he said.

"The Senate also has a duty -- to promptly consider each of these nominations on the Senate floor, discuss and debate their qualifications and then give them the up or down vote they deserve."

During Bush's first term, Senate Democrats used filibusters to block 10 of his 218 court nominees. Bush renominated seven of them this year, and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is threatening to force a confrontation over the issue this week.

The filibuster, a form of extended debate that dates to the 1850s, can be overcome only by a three-fifths majority of 60 votes, a move known as invoking cloture.

With Democrats holding 44 seats in the 100-member Senate, they could hold up a vote on a nominee indefinitely. So usually only their threat of a filibuster has been sufficient to keep Republicans from bringing a nomination to the floor for a vote.

Frist says he will bring the nominations of Janice Rogers Brown and Priscilla Owen to the Senate floor this week.

If Democrats try to block them by refusing to end debate, Frist has said he will move to change Senate rules by a simple majority to prevent filibusters of judicial nominees -- a step dubbed the "nuclear option."

"I've made it clear what the principle is, a fair up-or-down vote," Frist told reporters Tuesday. "And we will have whatever debate is required to really exhaust the discussion on these candidates."

Trying for a deal
Meanwhile, a bipartisan group of senators was scrambling for a compromise to avert a showdown.

Under a compromise draft known as a "memorandum of understanding" six Democrats would commit their votes to cut off debate on five Bush nominees, allowing them to clear the Senate.

In exchange, six Republicans would agree to vote against the threatened "nuclear option," all but guaranteeing its failure.

The plan was being brokered by Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska and would reserve the filibustering of court nominees -- including Supreme Court candidates -- for "the most extreme cases," McCain said.

"This has brought us to the brink, and if we can step back from it, I think it would improve the atmosphere around here," McCain told CNN.

"But the environment in the country is very bitter and very partisan today, and it certainly is reflected here on Capitol Hill."

Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut said he would back the proposal. But Sen. Mark Pryor, his Democratic colleague from Arkansas, cautioned, "There is no agreement at this point."

Pryor noted that Republicans blocked more than 60 of President Clinton's judicial nominations, but added, "We don't need to get into all of that right now."

"What we need to try to do is move forward, have senators that want to see the Senate operate the way it should, try to come up with some sort of agreement and try to move this forward," he said.

But Frist insists that all of Bush's nominees must receive up-or-down votes.

As written, the draft memorandum effectively would kill the nominations of three of Bush's most controversial picks -- Owen, William Myers and Henry Saad.

Confirmation votes would go forward on five others: Brown, William Pryor, Richard Griffin, David McKeague and Susan Neilson.

But the list of judges who would be approved and those who would not clear the Senate was a work in progress and already may have changed, a Democratic source said.

Frist and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, the Democrat from Nevada, announced Monday they had given up trying to avert a showdown.

In a signal of support, White House counsel Harriet Miers had lunch with Brown and Owen Tuesday afternoon, and the two also met briefly with Bush in the Oval Office.

White House officials have nonetheless expressed grave concern about how a Senate stalled by bitter Democrats would affect Bush's second-term agenda.

The "nuclear option" has little public support in recent polls, and some Republicans among the 55 in the chamber have expressed doubts about the move.

"We certainly are not about to declare victory," Reid said. "These votes will be determined at the last minute.

"It's going to take some Republicans of good will to be courageous and break from their leadership. They're getting tremendous pressure, and I understand that. But we feel good."

Captain Stamina
05-18-2005, 02:07 PM
But I don't remember anyone from klinton’s nomination someone waiting four years for a decision. But then again, klinton waited until the Senate went on break and then appointed the judges he wanted. Of course, he was supposed to nominate them again, but never did.

And I really want to know about what that memo asking Chappaquiddick Ted about postpone a vote on a judge, because if she was appointed she wouldn't give the NAACP the particular vote they wanted.

Nevada
05-18-2005, 04:22 PM
interesting though that they want to scrap the ability to filibuster but were glad to use it themselves during the democrat years

Captain Stamina
05-18-2005, 04:26 PM
I know that they did it on certain legislation, but I don't recall the Republicans using the filibuster on judicial nominees.

Nevada
05-18-2005, 04:37 PM
they were talking about it on frontline a last week...that's why this article caught my eye

Roger
05-19-2005, 07:47 AM
I know that they did it on certain legislation, but I don't recall the Republicans using the filibuster on judicial nominees.

Here's an old news clip from the AP...

Senate Republicans made a last-ditch attempt Tuesday to block the confirmation of federal appellate judge nominee Richard A. Paez, including questioning Paez's role in granting immunity to a fund-raiser who solicited $1 million in illegal contributions to the Democratic Party four years ago . . . Moving to that vote was further complicated Tuesday when conservative Sen. Bob Smith, R-N.H., began a filibuster against both Paez, currently a U.S. District Court judge in Los Angeles, and Marsha Berzon, a San Francisco lawyer. President Clinton has nominated both to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers California and wide areas of the West.

Paez was first nominated four years ago and has been waiting for confirmation longer than any nominee in modern history. Opponents accuse both Paez and Berzon of being too liberal, but supporters say the delay on Paez, a Hispanic, is part of a Senate pattern of being slow to move on nominations of minorities and women.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., wrote to Lott on Tuesday seeking a delay on the Paez vote.--- AP, March 7, 2000.

Captain Stamina
05-19-2005, 09:03 AM
Thanks for the info. By the beard of the Pope! It’s like listening to two little kids squabble. And people wonder why I want term limits for these clowns

Nevada
05-19-2005, 09:33 AM
it's worse than any playground squable I ever witnessed as a kid..hey maybe thats the answer....put one of each in a circle and let them duke it out

Belle Cle'Vage
05-23-2005, 05:37 PM
The neocons (formerly know as republicans) want a dictatorship. Even their leader has said (and I quote), "I wouldn't mind living in a dictatorship.... long as I'M the dictator".

Republicans blocked 60 NOMINATIONS during Presiden't Clinton's years. We're talking about filibustering 10 (and only the 10 most egriously rightwing ones who are truly unfit for the lifetime appointments). If bush were really so desperate to get judges on the benches that are unoccupied, he'd have nominated some for the other (240 vacant seats) that need filling instead of shoving these 10 losers down everybody's throats.

What this really is about is pulling the teath of the minority before the midterms, so that when Rhenquist retires next month, he'll be able to shove uber-neocon types onto the Supreme Court (and then there realllly goes the country).

Belle

Pathos
05-23-2005, 06:13 PM
Even their leader has said (and I quote), "I wouldn't mind living in a dictatorship.... long as I'M the dictator"
Mind giving the source for that Hon?

Belle Cle'Vage
05-23-2005, 08:03 PM
The neocons (formerly know as republicans) want a dictatorship. Even their leader has said (and I quote), "I wouldn't mind living in a dictatorship.... long as I'M the dictator".

Republicans blocked 60 NOMINATIONS during Presiden't Clinton's years. We're talking about filibustering 10 (and only the 10 most egriously rightwing ones who are truly unfit for the lifetime appointments). If bush were really so desperate to get judges on the benches that are unoccupied, he'd have nominated some for the other (240 vacant seats) that need filling instead of shoving these 10 losers down everybody's throats.

What this really is about is pulling the teath of the minority before the midterms, so that when Rhenquist retires next month, he'll be able to shove uber-neocon types onto the Supreme Court (and then there realllly goes the country).

Belle

Pathos
05-23-2005, 09:41 PM
Oooookay. Not quite the source I was looking for.

Belle Cle'Vage
05-23-2005, 11:41 PM
Sorry... it got double posted when the forum was down today. I was just getting ready to repost when I saw it had multiple entries. Apologies... techno-glitch

I've seen it several times on the news on video tape. CNN was running it for awhile there. It was back during the campaign I think. There's bound to be a copy on the web somewhere. I just know I saw it more than once (So I know I'm not imagining it) and there was a lot said about it ... none of it polite. Of course, his handlers where trying to spin it as "oh he was just joking", but I'm sorry, that's not something that should ever come out the a US President's mouth (even if it IS what he's thinking).

Belle

Belle Cle'Vage
05-23-2005, 11:54 PM
Hi Pathos,

OK... I found this. If I've got the date right, it's 12/18/00

Here's the cite:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec00/trans_12-18.htm

It was a piece by Elizabeth Farnsworth on the Lehrer Newshour. It was a joke that he made in a meeting with congressional leaders about how to work together.

"ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: President-elect Bush and the four congressional leaders met for two hours.

PRESIDENT-ELECT GEORGE W. BUSH: I told all four that I felt like this election happened for a reason; that it pointed out-- the Delay in the outcome should make it clear to all of us-- that we can come together to heal whatever wounds may exist, whatever residuals there may be. And I really look forward to the opportunity. I hope they've got my sense of optimism about the possible, and enthusiasm about the job. I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's okay. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier... ( Chuckles ) ( laughter ) ...just so long as I'm the dictator. ( Laughter )

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Afterwards, all four congressional leaders said they believed that today's meeting was a good start. "
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Hope that helps,

Belle

Pathos
05-24-2005, 12:05 AM
No worries Love but keep in mind you DID say:

Even their leader has said (and I quote), "I wouldn't mind living in a dictatorship.... long as I'M the dictator".
According to your source that's NOT what he said. In the future maybe substitute the phrase "and I'm paraphrasing" for "and I quote" if you don't have the source on hand. Same basic effect.

Just a tip. :wink:

Belle Cle'Vage
05-24-2005, 12:13 AM
Agreed.

I'm more concerned with the "just as long as I'm the dictator" part of the phrase. That's the part that was really chilling to me.

Belle