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Rhia
06-08-2005, 12:55 PM
I just gotta get someone's perspective on this...


http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=7591

Ten Most Harmful Books of the 19th and 20th Centuries


Posted May 31, 2005

HUMAN EVENTS asked a panel of 15 conservative scholars and public policy leaders to help us compile a list of the Ten Most Harmful Books of the 19th and 20th Centuries. Each panelist nominated a number of titles and then voted on a ballot including all books nominated. A title received a score of 10 points for being listed No. 1 by one of our panelists, 9 points for being listed No. 2, etc. Appropriately, The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, earned the highest aggregate score and the No. 1 listing.

1. The Communist Manifesto


Authors: Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels
Publication date: 1848
Score: 74
Summary: Marx and Engels, born in Germany in 1818 and 1820, respectively, were the intellectual godfathers of communism. Engels was the original limousine leftist: A wealthy textile heir, he financed Marx for much of his life. In 1848, the two co-authored The Communist Manifesto as a platform for a group they belonged to called the Communist League. The Manifesto envisions history as a class struggle between oppressed workers and oppressive owners, calling for a workers’ revolution so property, family and nation-states can be abolished and a proletarian Utopia established. The Evil Empire of the Soviet Union put the Manifesto into practice.


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2. Mein Kampf


Author: Adolf Hitler
Publication date: 1925-26
Score: 41
Summary: Mein Kampf (My Struggle) was initially published in two parts in 1925 and 1926 after Hitler was imprisoned for leading Nazi Brown Shirts in the so-called “Beer Hall Putsch” that tried to overthrow the Bavarian government. Here Hitler explained his racist, anti-Semitic vision for Germany, laying out a Nazi program pointing directly to World War II and the Holocaust. He envisioned the mass murder of Jews, and a war against France to precede a war against Russia to carve out “lebensraum” (“living room”) for Germans in Eastern Europe. The book was originally ignored. But not after Hitler rose to power. According to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, there were 10 million copies in circulation by 1945.


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3. Quotations from Chairman Mao


Author: Mao Zedong
Publication date: 1966
Score: 38
Summary: Mao, who died in 1976, was the leader of the Red Army in the fight for control of China against the anti-Communist forces of Chiang Kai-shek before, during and after World War II. Victorious, in 1949, he founded the People’s Republic of China, enslaving the world’s most populous nation in communism. In 1966, he published Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong, otherwise known as The Little Red Book, as a tool in the “Cultural Revolution” he launched to push the Chinese Communist Party and Chinese society back in his ideological direction. Aided by compulsory distribution in China, billions were printed. Western leftists were enamored with its Marxist anti-Americanism. “It is the task of the people of the whole world to put an end to the aggression and oppression perpetrated by imperialism, and chiefly by U.S. imperialism,” wrote Mao.


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4. The Kinsey Report


Author: Alfred Kinsey
Publication date: 1948
Score: 37
Summary: Alfred Kinsey was a zoologist at Indiana University who, in 1948, published a study called Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, commonly known as The Kinsey Report. Five years later, he published Sexual Behavior in the Human Female. The reports were designed to give a scientific gloss to the normalization of promiscuity and deviancy. “Kinsey’s initial report, released in 1948 . . . stunned the nation by saying that American men were so sexually wild that 95% of them could be accused of some kind of sexual offense under 1940s laws,” the Washington Times reported last year when a movie on Kinsey was released. “The report included reports of sexual activity by boys--even babies--and said that 37% of adult males had had at least one homosexual experience. . . . The 1953 book also included reports of sexual activity involving girls younger than age 4, and suggested that sex between adults and children could be beneficial.”


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5. Democracy and Education


Author: John Dewey
Publication date: 1916
Score: 36
Summary: John Dewey, who lived from 1859 until 1952, was a “progressive” philosopher and leading advocate for secular humanism in American life, who taught at the University of Chicago and at Columbia. He signed the Humanist Manifesto and rejected traditional religion and moral absolutes. In Democracy and Education, in pompous and opaque prose, he disparaged schooling that focused on traditional character development and endowing children with hard knowledge, and encouraged the teaching of thinking “skills” instead. His views had great influence on the direction of American education--particularly in public schools--and helped nurture the Clinton generation.


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6. Das Kapital


Author: Karl Marx
Publication date: 1867-1894
Score: 31
Summary: Marx died after publishing a first volume of this massive book, after which his benefactor Engels edited and published two additional volumes that Marx had drafted. Das Kapital forces the round peg of capitalism into the square hole of Marx’s materialistic theory of history, portraying capitalism as an ugly phase in the development of human society in which capitalists inevitably and amorally exploit labor by paying the cheapest possible wages to earn the greatest possible profits. Marx theorized that the inevitable eventual outcome would be global proletarian revolution. He could not have predicted 21st Century America: a free, affluent society based on capitalism and representative government that people the world over envy and seek to emulate.


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7. The Feminine Mystique


Author: Betty Friedan
Publication date: 1963
Score: 30
Summary: In The Feminine Mystique, Betty Friedan, born in 1921, disparaged traditional stay-at-home motherhood as life in “a comfortable concentration camp”--a role that degraded women and denied them true fulfillment in life. She later became founding president of the National Organization for Women. Her original vocation, tellingly, was not stay-at-home motherhood but left-wing journalism. As David Horowitz wrote in a review for Salon.com of Betty Friedan and the Making of the Feminine Mystique by Daniel Horowitz (no relation to David): The author documents that “Friedan was from her college days, and until her mid-30s, a Stalinist Marxist, the political intimate of the leaders of America’s Cold War fifth column and for a time even the lover of a young Communist physicist working on atomic bomb projects in Berkeley’s radiation lab with J. Robert Oppenheimer.”


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8. The Course of Positive Philosophy


Author: Auguste Comte
Publication date: 1830-1842
Score: 28
Summary: Comte, the product of a royalist Catholic family that survived the French Revolution, turned his back on his political and cultural heritage, announcing as a teenager, “I have naturally ceased to believe in God.” Later, in the six volumes of The Course of Positive Philosophy, he coined the term “sociology.” He did so while theorizing that the human mind had developed beyond “theology” (a belief that there is a God who governs the universe), through “metaphysics” (in this case defined as the French revolutionaries’ reliance on abstract assertions of “rights” without a God), to “positivism,” in which man alone, through scientific observation, could determine the way things ought to be.


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9. Beyond Good and Evil


Author: Freidrich Nietzsche
Publication date: 1886
Score: 28
Summary: An oft-scribbled bit of college-campus graffiti says: “‘God is dead’--Nietzsche” followed by “‘Nietzsche is dead’--God.” Nietzsche’s profession that “God is dead” appeared in his 1882 book, The Gay Science, but under-girded the basic theme of Beyond Good and Evil, which was published four years later. Here Nietzsche argued that men are driven by an amoral “Will to Power,” and that superior men will sweep aside religiously inspired moral rules, which he deemed as artificial as any other moral rules, to craft whatever rules would help them dominate the world around them. “Life itself is essentially appropriation, injury, overpowering of the strange and weaker, suppression, severity, imposition of one’s own forms, incorporation and, at the least and mildest, exploitation,” he wrote. The Nazis loved Nietzsche.


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10. General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money


Author: John Maynard Keynes
Publication date: 1936
Score: 23
Summary: Keynes was a member of the British elite--educated at Eton and Cambridge--who as a liberal Cambridge economics professor wrote General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money in the midst of the Great Depression. The book is a recipe for ever-expanding government. When the business cycle threatens a contraction of industry, and thus of jobs, he argued, the government should run up deficits, borrowing and spending money to spur economic activity. FDR adopted the idea as U.S. policy, and the U.S. government now has a $2.6-trillion annual budget and an $8-trillion dollar debt.


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Honorable Mention

These books won votes from two or more judges:

The Population Bomb
by Paul Ehrlich
Score: 22

What Is To Be Done
by V.I. Lenin
Score: 20

Authoritarian Personality
by Theodor Adorno
Score: 19

On Liberty
by John Stuart Mill
Score: 18

Beyond Freedom and Dignity
by B.F. Skinner
Score: 18

Reflections on Violence
by Georges Sorel
Score: 18

The Promise of American Life
by Herbert Croly
Score: 17

Origin of the Species
by Charles Darwin
Score: 17

Madness and Civilization
by Michel Foucault
Score: 12

Soviet Communism: A New Civilization
by Sidney and Beatrice Webb
Score: 12

Coming of Age in Samoa
by Margaret Mead
Score: 11

Unsafe at Any Speed
by Ralph Nader
Score: 11

Second Sex
by Simone de Beauvoir
Score: 10

Prison Notebooks
by Antonio Gramsci
Score: 10

Silent Spring
by Rachel Carson
Score: 9

Wretched of the Earth
by Frantz Fanon
Score: 9

Introduction to Psychoanalysis
by Sigmund Freud
Score: 9

The Greening of America
by Charles Reich
Score: 9

The Limits to Growth
by Club of Rome
Score: 4

Descent of Man
by Charles Darwin
Score: 2

ambar
06-08-2005, 01:22 PM
*cringes and starts shaking her head* Can we make all the idoits go away? Please?

Origion of the Species? The Kinsey Report? They are not harmful at all. Somedays, I'm ashamed to be human.

Artemisia
06-08-2005, 01:26 PM
*cringes and starts shaking her head* Can we make all the idoits go away? Please?
::Artemisia points down to Einstein quote in her sig line::

erinrai
06-08-2005, 01:32 PM
Makes ya wonder if they have actually taken the time to read any of these books.

Eric McTavish
06-08-2005, 01:51 PM
Well they fit the harmful bill... all these books created havoc and disintegration of "common" values at the time they were released...

The Kinsey Reports alone was single very instrumental to the disintegration of the "Nuclear Family" was the book wrong? no, harmful (to the status) very!

Just like Origin of Species a very harmful book many, many scientists were ruined because of that theory becoming mainstream...

Harmful is not the same as WRONG was the Einstein’s theories harmful? Ask survivors of Hiroshima... then ask survivors of cancer who are alive due to chemo... it's all in the point of view.

Dmitri
06-08-2005, 01:58 PM
See... Now I would put the Bible on the top of that List...

Lady Laurel
06-08-2005, 02:03 PM
The Kinsey Report- is grotesque.
These books did cause alot of destruction to people and Societies.
My question is why did they cause so much destruction. The book about Hitler for example ( I hve never read it) but if I did it would have tipped me off he was crazy. Anyone that want to do genocide is phsychotic. Why did other people not see this. Did not some of these theories seem crazy at the time?

Pathos
06-08-2005, 02:26 PM
I don't think I have a problem with that list. No one is saying they should be banned. They're just commenting on the effect they had. Whether of not their point of view is correct is another issue but the list itself seems pretty harmless.

And Dmitri...I don't think the Bible counts as a book from the 19th or 20th century. Goes back a bit further than that. :wink:

Margaret
06-08-2005, 03:06 PM
My first thought was: I wonder how long it took them to decide on the term 'harmful' to describe the list. We are so used to fighting over semantics these days...

I am going to have to follow that link to see if they list their pannel members. It's a good list, each of those books profoundly influenced people's thinking and made them buy into an idea or concept.

Ysobelle
06-08-2005, 04:17 PM
I see what they're saying, but I would've used another word than "harmful." They're books-- tools, not mandates.

They seem to be fairly well-educated adults on the panel, so I wonder how they meant the term. Maybe "incindiary" would have been better.


And how on eath is the Kinsey Report "grotesque"? How is the Communist Manifesto destructive? These books were products of their times, and the ideas in them were used by revolutionaries and warmongers alike, yes, but they didn't create violence out of a vacuum. They were used by people looking for reasons to do what they were going to do anyway.

daBaroness
06-08-2005, 06:03 PM
I'm pleased and proud to say I've read many of these books - some were even required as part of my public school education. Zowie!!!!!! :lol:

daBaroness
06-08-2005, 06:07 PM
Oh - and another Zowie ...

Dmitri - I agree with you - even though it's not a 19th or 20th century piece of literature - the Bible certain would be #1 on my list in terms of it's place in history of having influence on Kings and commoners and being used as justification for any number of crimes against humanity from slavery to murder.

engtutorwench333
06-08-2005, 06:59 PM
Bummer, number three and number seven are the main basis for my going into sex therapy. Also, the Kinsey Institute is where I'm going to grad school. What does that make me? A charlatan or a misguided whore....hmmmmm off to ponder. :roll:

engtutorwench333
06-08-2005, 07:01 PM
Also, momma always told me if you don't like it, don't look at it. That's the south for you.

Lady Laurel
06-08-2005, 07:24 PM
And how on eath is the Kinsey Report "grotesque"?

Yosebelle, the subject matter that refers to in his book. I was in a psychology class and had a teacher refer to this book. I am sorry the subject matter in it makes my skin crawl.

Katerinka Kotenoka
06-08-2005, 09:54 PM
Hmm... considering how much I read and how quickly... I'm quite thankful I've not bothered to read any of the books on that list, the second list, or the bible. Frankly I want to walk away from a book feeling rewarded, not disgusted, or worn out from having someone else do the thinking.

Pathos
06-08-2005, 10:02 PM
Hmm... considering how much I read and how quickly... I'm quite thankful I've not bothered to read any of the books on that list, the second list, or the bible. Frankly I want to walk away from a book feeling rewarded, not disgusted, or worn out from having someone else do the thinking.
Um...unless you're the author...isn't someone else ALWAYS doing the thinking?

Personally...I sometimes feel "rewarded" if I AM disgusted or worn out.

And I'm glad to say I've read more than one book on that list and can see them on my bookshelf right now.. 8)

Katerinka Kotenoka
06-08-2005, 10:05 PM
By having someone else do the thinking... I'm not talking about a sci-fi novel. Someone already thought that up... however, if you sit the book down, you can mull it over. With someone else doing the thinking, cult-style/must-think like this styles are what come to mind. Such as the ones on the list. Damn Freud.

Ysobelle
06-08-2005, 11:14 PM
Isn't the Kinsey Report a study of human sexuality?

Pathos
06-08-2005, 11:21 PM
By having someone else do the thinking... I'm not talking about a sci-fi novel. Someone already thought that up... however, if you sit the book down, you can mull it over. With someone else doing the thinking, cult-style/must-think like this styles are what come to mind. Such as the ones on the list. Damn Freud.
Sorry Sweetheart but I don't understand a word of that. :shock:

Ysobelle
06-08-2005, 11:28 PM
I think the implication is that books like "Mein Kampf" are shoving a particular ideology down your throat with all the subtlety and restraint of a rabid wolverine armed with a sledgehammer, while most books are more content to present you with facts/ideas/etc., then sit back and let you digest.


That about right?

Eric McTavish
06-09-2005, 08:18 AM
I think the implication is that books like "Mein Kampf" are shoving a particular ideology down your throat

Scary damn book if you read it with the mindset of a german in post ww1 reconstruction Germany...It almost makes sence... :shock:

Dmitri
06-09-2005, 08:35 AM
I think the implication is that books like "Mein Kampf" are shoving a particular ideology down your throat

Scary damn book if you read it with the mindset of a german in post ww1 reconstruction Germany...It almost makes sence... :shock:

No Eric.. the problem is that it DOES make sense... With that mindset or even one of this timeframe... Hitler was a genius. He was sick, disturbed and evil... But he was a genius.

I don't speak a lick of german, yet if you watch old newsreels of him speaking after about five minutes you start saying, "yeah... FUCK YEAH!"

That was his genius. He took a people who were completely defeated and gave them a vision and a dream that brought that people to the point where they threatened the entire world. Too bad it was a vision based on bigotry, hate, elitism and genocide...

Eric McTavish
06-09-2005, 08:43 AM
No Eric.. the problem is that it DOES make sense... With that mindset or even one of this timeframe... Hitler was a genius. He was sick, disturbed and evil... But he was a genius.

Your right, ther problem with reading anything like this is the Fact of the holocost is always there in your mind reminding you of where this thinking led and it tends to color your perception... scary stuff

Cyranno DeBoberac
06-09-2005, 11:31 AM
Too bad it was a vision based on bigotry, hate, elitism and genocide...
Take "genocide" out of that sentence and you just described the fundementalist movement in this country.

And as far as the genocide goes, I'm sure it's just a matter of time.... :?

Katerinka Kotenoka
06-09-2005, 11:52 AM
I think the implication is that books like "Mein Kampf" are shoving a particular ideology down your throat with all the subtlety and restraint of a rabid wolverine armed with a sledgehammer, while most books are more content to present you with facts/ideas/etc., then sit back and let you digest.


That about right?
Yup! Shove down throat, similar to religious zealots.

Ysobelle
06-09-2005, 12:46 PM
I don't speak a lick of german, yet if you watch old newsreels of him speaking after about five minutes you start saying, "yeah... FUCK YEAH!"




Hey, now-- speak for yourself, there, cowboy!

Me, I just get a slightly nauseous, sinking feeling.

Dmitri
06-09-2005, 01:21 PM
I don't speak a lick of german, yet if you watch old newsreels of him speaking after about five minutes you start saying, "yeah... FUCK YEAH!"




Hey, now-- speak for yourself, there, cowboy!

Me, I just get a slightly nauseous, sinking feeling.

That's because you can't remove yourself from the history of what he DID... Not only in general but to you and yours. And I can't say I wouldn't feel the same way...

Yet that doesn't remove that fact that that man, regardless of teh twisted, disgusting regime he instilled, took a country from nothing and created a superpower that threatened th world in LESS THAN TEN YEARS...

That is genius... No one alive today in world politics could do the same.

Ysobelle
06-09-2005, 02:22 PM
I still don't know that I'd call him a genius. A master manipulator, and strategist, and administrator. Someone who knew how to be in the right place at the right time. Someone with a shrewd insight into the baser aspects of the human psyche.

But no, not a genius.

Dmitri
06-09-2005, 02:49 PM
I equate genius no with intelligence but ability. It's semantics really...

there is one thing that cannot be disputed tho' and that's that he was a genocidal madman and maybe if someone had gone in and fucking killied him earlier, millions of people could still be alive... I mean unlike Stalin, people in Europe KNEW what was going on and choose to ignore it... WE chose to ignore it despite our intelligence reports. I mean no one could have imagined it was so bad... but still...

Ysobelle
06-09-2005, 02:54 PM
I equate genius no with intelligence but ability. It's semantics really...

there is one thing that cannot be disputed tho' and that's that he was a genocidal madman and maybe if someone had gone in and fucking killied him earlier, millions of people could still be alive... I mean unlike Stalin, people in Europe KNEW what was going on and choose to ignore it... WE chose to ignore it despite our intelligence reports. I mean no one could have imagined it was so bad... but still...


Okay, yes, I agree with you there. I do equate genius with intelligence, but in your meaning, yeah.

And I think many, many people here knew what was going on. Those still in Eurpoe wrote letters, sent children and family members, or escaped when they could. People knew. We just didn't choose to get involved until much later. In some opinions, almost too late-- millions of lives could indeed have been saved.

Dmitri
06-09-2005, 03:09 PM
I equate genius no with intelligence but ability. It's semantics really...

there is one thing that cannot be disputed tho' and that's that he was a genocidal madman and maybe if someone had gone in and fucking killied him earlier, millions of people could still be alive... I mean unlike Stalin, people in Europe KNEW what was going on and choose to ignore it... WE chose to ignore it despite our intelligence reports. I mean no one could have imagined it was so bad... but still...


Okay, yes, I agree with you there. I do equate genius with intelligence, but in your meaning, yeah.

And I think many, many people here knew what was going on. Those still in Eurpoe wrote letters, sent children and family members, or escaped when they could. People knew. We just didn't choose to get involved until much later. In some opinions, almost too late-- millions of lives could indeed have been saved.

In my research in creating my character "Dmitri" I read alot of Romani (gypsy) history. The first test of zyclon-b was on 230 gypsy children and while half a million Rom died in concentration camps, they speculate close to a million more were just killed in the countryside and left for dead... Because most people could care less if you killed a gypsy as most of europe thought of them as vermin and pests.

I guess I'm trying to say that while I think what Hitler did was amazing for a political standpoint, his entire regime was as evil and heinous as you can get. It is the apex to which we judge genocide now... Even though for actual statistics, Stalin beat Hitler by almost double and kept it under wraps a whole lot better.

Ysobelle
06-09-2005, 03:56 PM
I don't think I would have invited either of them to the first night of Pesach, no.


Not unless I could have served arsenic in the marzipan. They would never have noticed.

Alianne
06-09-2005, 05:19 PM
I think the implication is that books like "Mein Kampf" are shoving a particular ideology down your throat

Scary damn book if you read it with the mindset of a german in post ww1 reconstruction Germany...It almost makes sence... :shock:

No Eric.. the problem is that it DOES make sense... With that mindset or even one of this timeframe... Hitler was a genius. He was sick, disturbed and evil... But he was a genius.

I don't speak a lick of german, yet if you watch old newsreels of him speaking after about five minutes you start saying, "yeah... FUCK YEAH!"

That was his genius. He took a people who were completely defeated and gave them a vision and a dream that brought that people to the point where they threatened the entire world. Too bad it was a vision based on bigotry, hate, elitism and genocide...

Recently had a similar convesation with the Demi-god, as they just finished their unit on WW II in 9th grade history. He had done his report of the development of Blitzkreig as a military tactic.

I was boggled with how easy it was for him to be able to separate the Hitler (who, yes, did revitalize a defeated and defeatest post WW I Germany into a world power in a very short amount of time) with the Hitler who, like you said, based that vision on bigotry, hate, elitism and genocide and the horror that resulted. It's something that I have a lot of trouble doing.

Maybe it's because of the difference in generations in our family. My generation was just one to two removed from relatives who died in the Holocaust and those who managed to escape...to his generation which is further removed. They got all this in Sunday and Hebrew School, so he understands, but by the time he was born, the relatives who told us their stories had died out of old age, so he's getting what personal stories our family has through the filter of the generation inbetween.

Although he was very bothered by a telegram from 1944 sent to my paternal grandmother from the Red Cross -- Grandma, in 1942, had made a humanitarian request to try to locate one of her relatives in Hungary....two years later, she finally received word -- but the word was that the relative could not be located and was most likely taken to a concentration camp. (The telegram was in a bundle of papers and photos that recently came into my possession from my late father's house.) That made it 'real' to him, I guess.

Dmitri
06-10-2005, 07:54 AM
"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

This is why I believe what we did in Kosovo was necessary and even tho' we did it wrong, Sadaam HAD to be removed... Both these people were using Hitler's model for genocide, which we know refer to with the PC term "Ethnic Cleansing"...

If we used "genocide" mabye we would get into other places (Congo) and stop this insanity.