Please, shoot me now.

[Roger]

WARNING: The following post contains vaguely obscured obscenity and views not suitable to mindless NeoCons.

Generally speaking, I try to keep my real life and my faire persona from intersecting on this board. I’d rather be know to you all as an ale drinking rogue with a flair for sexual innuendo, than responsible businessman with strong political assertions. Listening to NPR News on my daily commute thismorning may have changed all that.

I heard a new piece (that I have yet to verify through other sources) indicating that our Republican friends in Congress are pulling together a bill that will give every household a $100 rebate in order to help alleviate the burden of high fuel costs. This rebate money would come from Federal Fuel Tax revenues. What’s more, attached to this bill is a rider that would open ANWAR up to drilling.

WHAT THE FÜ€K!!!

Republicans will take money from funding highway and infrastructure improvements as well as alternative fuel research to buy me two tanks of gas while the PRłCKS at EXXON are pocketing record profits and are only subjected to a “tax inquiry” by a highly partisan sub-committee. Then to add insult to injury, they will hand over ANWAR to this same oil mafia.

Do these A$$HOLES think we are idiots. Will a single Democrat stand up and challenge this bill only to be accused of taking money out of the pockets of middle class Americans? Will the media report this extortion? IS IT NOVEMBER YET!!!!!

(rant over)

Thank you for indulging me. If anyone hears anything concrete on this, please let me know.

[Rhia]

haven't heard about the rebate, but they've been yelling about ANWAR since Katrina - it's added fuel to the fire (excuse the pun)

They are determined to get in there and start drilling - it was blocked a few months back when they tried to get in, but I honestly don't know how long that will last... *sigh*

[Capt. Stamina]

While being an admittedly asinine idea, there are other thoughts that would make more sense. Since the average profit seen by the service station owner is about $0.03 to $0.12 per gallon, and the oil companies average profit is around $0.18 per gallon, why is the federal profit (tax) getting $0.184 per gallon, and state profit (tax) $0.22 to $0.32 per gallon?

Sorry, but an inquiry of ‘price gouging’ is ridiculous. There’s a economic system, used for the most part in the country, called ‘supply and demand’. If there’s a demand for a product and limited supply, the price goes up. Same thing applies on the global market.

But don’t worry; the $100 rebate will not occur, there will be big $ spend on an ‘inquiry’ with a bunch of congressmen getting air time quizzing oil executives, and then the price will drop and it will be forgotten in a month. Meanwhile, there will still be no further exploration of oil in this country, no new refineries will be built, and we’re still going to be dependant upon foreign oil.

[ladyleggs]

I think I am in love Roger..........A man, who no doubt, a rogue, that makes a lot of sense....I agree too. For I am a rep, have been all my life, BUT, and I say that loudly, BUT things seem have changed and I lean more to the side of who makes the most sense and is really looking out for all of us. Say, Roger, interested in running for a political position?

[Roger]

I think I am in love Roger..........A man, who no doubt, a rogue, that makes a lot of sense....I agree too. For I am a rep, have been all my life, BUT, and I say that loudly, BUT things seem have changed and I lean more to the side of who makes the most sense and is really looking out for all of us. Say, Roger, interested in running for a political position?


My dear, when you speak so sweetly many positions come to mind. None of them political. ;-) I'm back, baby! Someone get me a beer!

[Cerulean Fire]

I have been interested of late in the whole corn fule thing, I think its a great idea, a renewable resourse that will not only give our farmers a new source of income, it will burn cleaner and be a hell of a lot cheeper to produce. Hmmm... oh no... wait, thats a good idea... ::sigh:: I supose it wont really happen then... as long as Bush, aka oil poster child, is in office...
Also, I would like to add, no it isnt November yet and for that I am sad.

[ladyleggs]

I seem to have the cure for you my lord, without even knowing it.....lol. 101 positions, you choose........

[Cerulean Fire]

Beer??? Oh Ladd, ye've been away too long... Guiness, Ladd, Guiness::guiness:, and as for running for positions... hmmm.... do you intend to give chase? hehe

[DameGoode]

I like the corn idea too, but if you think the American Farmer is going to get a piece of that...... Nope big business, big farm....

[Cerulean Fire]

I like the corn idea too, but if you think the American Farmer is going to get a piece of that...... Nope big business, big farm....



:sigh: alas I think you may be right... however I will continue to hope

[Capt. Stamina]

Corn fuel does burn cleaner, but you need twice as much as regular gas, thats one problem with it.

Electric cars are a great idea also, but the main battery needs to be replaced every two or three years at a cost of $2000 to $3000 per change.

[Roger]

Beer??? Oh Ladd, ye've been away too long... Guiness, Ladd, Guiness::guiness:, and as for running for positions... hmmm.... do you intend to give chase? hehe

Chase, catch, satisfy... Ceru, you know my M.O. "Catch" up with you at Fling! :kiltdanc:

[Pathos]

Let's also try and remember that high gas prices and oil companies out of control goes beyond partisan politics. It's not like big oil never made billions of dollars until GW took office.

The reason a lot of Dems wont take a stand on this is because they too make a killing on oil. Mr. Environment himself Al Gore owns a few million in oil stock as does the entire Kennedy clan.

So if Bush is helping to line the pockets of his oil buddies...there's a lot of Dems in that group too.

[Roger]

Let's also try and remember that high gas prices and oil companies out of control goes beyond partisan politics. It's not like big oil never made billions of dollars until GW took office.

The reason a lot of Dems wont take a stand on this is because they too make a killing on oil. Mr. Environment himself Al Gore owns a few million in oil stock as does the entire Kennedy clan.

So if Bush is helping to line the pockets of his oil buddies...there's a lot of Dems in that group too.

Agreed. I'd just like to maintain the appearance of balance in the government so that on occasion we can do more than slap a wrist if the populous becomes unsettled enough. Leggs, where are you, Pathos is bringing me back down.

[Dmitri]

Our biggest problem is the fact that we haven't buiilt or upgraded refineries in this country for decades. We need to buy refined gas, sweet cude... Which is almost twice the cost of normal crude...

[Cerulean Fire]

Corn fuel does burn cleaner, but you need twice as much as regular gas, thats one problem with it.

Electric cars are a great idea also, but the main battery needs to be replaced every two or three years at a cost of $2000 to $3000 per change.


DAMN!! thats it, i going to buy a loto ticket... hehe

and oh Roger... Catch me or catch up with me...hehe.

[Roger]

Corn fuel does burn cleaner, but you need twice as much as regular gas, thats one problem with it.


There's a lot of debate over this idea, not just media and political, but also in the scientific community. Like statistics: results can vary with interpretation. Thermal science is influenced by both quality and quantity of the energy being evaluated. I think what you’ll find a gallon of Ethanol 85 generates relatively the same quality of energy as a gallon of Unleaded 87. The question is how much energy is consumed in making a gallon of each. With reasonable investment in Ethanol production (which none of the 3 energy plans drafted by Cheney and the oil company executives in secret does) you’ll likely find corn/soy/switchgrass based fuels are very competitive with crude based fuels.

[Ysobelle]

We also need to seriously look into not just ethanol, but other sources. Hydrogen, solar, wind, water-- we need ways of making them more efficient with less of an environmental impact of their own.

Oh, and we could improve public transportation, but hey, who wants to do something that sensible? Pshaw!

I believe I heard or read this morning that you can make your own ethanol for about 75 cents per gallon. That's an interesting idea.

[Roger]

I believe I heard or read this morning that you can make your own ethanol for about 75 cents per gallon. That's an interesting idea.

A large scale refinery can SAFELY make ethanol for 75 cents per gallon. Costs of renewable fuels will fluctuate with the price of raw materials. If there is a drought in the Midwest and corn production is low, prices may go up. Better that than have prices controlled by a radical cartel that can only be influenced by money and war.

[Artemisia]

All the big oil exec's and political bigwigs have and will profit from the oil industry. And until they stop such a thing as lobbyists and contributions to electoral campaigns, (in part) it will not stop. And I'm convinced that the oil companies hold a lot of stock in some major car companies. How can it be that this country hasn't moved over to alternate forms of fuel yet? :: Steve Austin voice:: We can rebuild it. We have the technology. Unfortunately, money and self-preservation talks.

And I don't think Washington thinks we're dumb. They just realize they have finite time to keep taking advantage of this situation. They see alternate fuel cars on the horizon, so they are scrambling to make their profit when and where they can. I won't be surprised if they invest in the stock of alternate fuel companies or if they have something on the drawing boards to be able to survive the definite upcoming change.

::sits next to Roger and pours a shot of rum::

[Cerulean Fire]

A large scale refinery can SAFELY make ethanol for 75 cents per gallon. Costs of renewable fuels will fluctuate with the price of raw materials. If there is a drought in the Midwest and corn production is low, prices may go up. Better that than have prices controlled by a radical cartel that can only be influenced by money and war.
Radical Cartel?
Why what ever do you mean? This country is run by open minded, inteligent and carring indivduals with nothing but the best interest of its people at heart...
oh... um sorry that was how this country was intended to be run... my mistake...
and Roger, dahling... could we possable have more in common than a tast for a good pint of stout?
how nice.
ps...
can i join the rum party? Artisima, pour one for me as well please...

[Cerulean Fire]

Sorry I misspelled your name Artemisia.

[Dmitri]

Short term... this sucks... Long term, I think this will actually be a good thing... The American people won't put up with it for long... there's always been a ceiling and pretty soon conservative and liberal will come together and force the investigation into cheaper, more environmentally friendly fuels and the reconstruction and construction of a better, more efficient, wider spread public tranportation system.

We need to catch up to the rest of the world in the PT area.

[ladyleggs]

Pathos, behave, I will have to spank you!! Sorry Roger, was afkb, doing my hair. I am back. Please perk up.......

[Artemisia]

Radical Cartel?
Why what ever do you mean? This country is run by open minded, inteligent and carring indivduals with nothing but the best interest of its people at heart...
oh... um sorry that was how this country was intended to be run... my mistake...
and Roger, dahling... could we possable have more in common than a tast for a good pint of stout?
how nice.
ps...
can i join the rum party? Artisima, pour one for me as well please...


::pours rum into glass:: Here ya go, hon.

Short term... this sucks... Long term, I think this will actually be a good thing... The American people won't put up with it for long... there's always been a ceiling and pretty soon conservative and liberal will come together and force the investigation into cheaper, more environmentally friendly fuels and the reconstruction and construction of a better, more efficient, wider spread public tranportation system.

We need to catch up to the rest of the world in the PT area.
I do agree we won't put up with this for much longer. Especially after the now 20-somethings have enough power to make it a reality. I have hope in our children.

And since I live in an area where no public transportation exists (hopefully that will change) ::pulls out hybrid car brochures and ponders on next purchase::

[ladyleggs]

I am still scratching my head over the illegal hispanics protesting. I have come to the conclusion on that matter, that the reason congress is making such a big deal, is because 95% of them and the other big wigs in washington, have illegal's working for them, such as nannies, landscapers, etc.

[Lady Sarah]

Pathos, behave, I will have to spank you!! Sorry Roger, was afkb, doing my hair. I am back. Please perk up.......

Don't. he'd like it too much.

[Dmitri]

And since I live in an area where no public transportation exists (hopefully that will change) ::pulls out hybrid car brochures and ponders on next purchase::

I'd buy a hybrid in a heartbeat but they are really pricey... get one in the mid/high teens and people will choose them over a Kia or Daewoo.

PT in Hudson valley sucks... you need to take the Pascack or Bergen Lines to Hoboken on the Jersey side, but they only go up to Port Jervis in the west and Spring Valley. On the other side it only goes to Poughkeepsie...

[Dmitri]

I am still scratching my head over the illegal hispanics protesting. I have come to the conclusion on that matter, that the reason congress is making such a big deal, is because 95% of them and the other big wigs in washington, have illegal's working for them, such as nannies, landscapers, etc.

"If I could be a superhero
I'd be Immigration Dude
I’d send all the foreigners back to their homes
For eating up all of our food
And taking our welfare and best jobs to boot
Like landscaping, dishwashing, picking our fruit
I’d pass a lot of laws to get rid of their brood
‘Cause I’d be Immigration Dude"

-Stephen Lynch 'Superhero'

[Lady Sarah]

I'd buy a hybrid in a heartbeat but they are really pricey... get one in the mid/high teens and people will choose them over a Kia or Daewoo.

PT in Hudson valley sucks... you need to take the Pascack or Bergen Lines to Hoboken on the Jersey side, but they only go up to Port Jervis in the west and Spring Valley. On the other side it only goes to Poughkeepsie...

well, at least you've got it. Here in Arlington, soon-to-be home of the Cowboys ( :yuck: :augh: :chomp: ) AND the Rangers (who just suck hind ass), there's no PT whatsoever. The people won't approve a bond to do it. They're terrified of paying a few cents extra for a PT system, but they'll willingly spread their legs and let Jerry Jones walk away without so much as a thank you to pay for the Cowboys and his stadium.

oooo tangent rant. sorry!!

[Artemisia]

I'd buy a hybrid in a heartbeat but they are really pricey... get one in the mid/high teens and people will choose them over a Kia or Daewoo.

PT in Hudson valley sucks... you need to take the Pascack or Bergen Lines to Hoboken on the Jersey side, but they only go up to Port Jervis in the west and Spring Valley. On the other side it only goes to Poughkeepsie...

Yeah, tell me about it. But with all the home building that's going on here, I expect that to change soon.

Before I bought my 02 Honda Civic I considered the hybrid model. But at that time it was 10K more than the gas model. The extra cost plus the damned salesman pushing the regular Civic on me (I wonder if he was getting a kickback on that) changed my mind to the regular gas model.

[mistress anne]

Do these A$$HOLES think we are idiots.

Yes. And blind. And too busy watching American Idol to really care.

Will a single Democrat stand up and challenge this bill only to be accused of taking money out of the pockets of middle class Americans?

Sorry, but not really.

Will the media report this extortion?

Who, Faux News?

[Pathos]

I'd buy a hybrid in a heartbeat but they are really pricey...
I priced a few back in January when the lease was up on my truck. I could've gotten a Mercedes for about the same price as a hybrid.

[Capt. Stamina]

Caught something on TV the other day about hybrids. Assuming you can still get the tax decution for it, the cost return was about 10 years as opposed to a regular fuel car.

[Mistress Lisette]

well, at least you've got it. Here in Arlington, soon-to-be home of the Cowboys ( :yuck: :augh: :chomp: ) AND the Rangers (who just suck hind ass), there's no PT whatsoever.
In the other small towns, too (like Euless) that are smack in btwn Dallas & Fort Worth... Damn, but this lack of PT sucks.

[Ravin' Raven]

I read a little something about the rebate and, of course, they'll just take it out of our hides from somewhere else - like healthcare coverage or something.

But for those of you considering alternatives. I commute 72 miles each way. Just got rid of the Jaguar and bought a new VW Jetta Diesel. Used to be diesel was always cheaper, then it was about mid price range, now it's cheap again (at least no more than regular - I paid $2.85 yesterday). I'm getting 42mpg and at $29,000 have more options than the $53,000 Jag. Now that's a REAL upgrade in my book.::yay::

But act fast - the US government changed its rules yet again and all the car makers that make decent diesels have to go back to the drawing boards. :unamused: No one will have anything for 2007.

[KnightlyJay]

Steve Austin voice:: We can rebuild it. We have the technology


Sorry, just a little thread jacking geekiness here. It's Oscar Goldman's voiceover.

The 75 cent a gallon home manufacturing comes with a bit of an investment, and a need for a ready supply of corn and time. The refining equipment seems to sell for about $15,000. You need to get feed corn which is relatively cheap, but fairly sizeable in the lot size you need. Also it takes about 6 hours to process one ton of corn which if I recall the interview correctly makes about 100 gallons. As a community investment, I think this type of set up could make a lot of sense, but it is not as easy as the interviewee made it sound this morning.

Sorry Nikki, this won't fit in your apartment.

[Artemisia]

Steve Austin voice:: We can rebuild it. We have the technology

Sorry, just a little thread jacking geekiness here. It's Oscar Goldman's voiceover.

/snip/
Yeah, I know it was Oscar's. But most people recognize the name "Steve Austin" more than Oscar Goldman. But then again, a true geek would know the difference. :wink:

::pours another drink and tries to figure out the cost effectiveness of purchasing a diesel car now versus a hybrid later::

[Pathos]

Yeah, I know it was Oscar's. But most people recognize the name "Steve Austin" more than Oscar Goldman. But then again, a true geek would know the difference. :wink:
Now see I thought it was Dr. Wells who said that line.

Been a long time though...could be wrong.

[renstyles]

double post

[renstyles]

The 75 cent a gallon home manufacturing comes with a bit of an investment, and a need for a ready supply of corn and time. The refining equipment seems to sell for about $15,000. You need to get feed corn which is relatively cheap, but fairly sizeable in the lot size you need. Also it takes about 6 hours to process one ton of corn which if I recall the interview correctly makes about 100 gallons. As a community investment, I think this type of set up could make a lot of sense, but it is not as easy as the interviewee made it sound this morning.


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There is also making biodiesel from new vegetable oil, or even cheaper, getting the waste from your local Mcdonalds.

[mistress anne]

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There is also making biodiesel from new vegetable oil, or even cheaper, getting the waste from your local Mcdonalds.

About 5-6 years ago, I met a couple in Montreal who were driving cross country using used vegetable oil. They would stop at restaurants and pick up oil that was going to be thrown away. Their car smelled like french fries.

My Saturn gets 25-32 mpg and I would definitely do the McDonald's thing.

[Pathos]

I believe Willie Nelson's tour bus is powered by used cooking oil.

[Lilaney]

That would be Bio Willie!
http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/

They opened up the plant in Denton not too long ago..
http://www.grainnet.com/info/articles.html?type=bn&ID=25652

[Artemisia]

Now see I thought it was Dr. Wells who said that line.
Been a long time though...could be wrong.
I keep hearing Richard Anderson's voice. ::tinfoil:

Willie Nelson Biodiesel? That's impressive. Though I'd love to find out who are some of the stockholders of Earth Biofuels, Inc. Sorry, being cynical again.

::after looking thru some of the Annual Report::
(http://biz.yahoo.com/e/060417/ebof.ob10ksb.html)

Recent Developments
On February 28, 2006, the Company finalized the acquisition of all of the outstanding shares of Distribution Drive. On March 31, 2006, the Company finalized an agreement with Biodiesel Venture, LP for the exclusive distribution of the Company's biodiesel product under the "BioWillie" trademarked brand name. The owners of Biodiesel Venture, LP include Mr. Willie Nelson, who has provided his namesake in support of increasing public awareness of the biodiesel fuel industry.

Now I'm glad to hear he has some interest in this. Maybe, hopefully, maybe it'll keep the "big interests" out? :earth:

[Mistress Lisette]

I believe Willie Nelson's tour bus is powered by used cooking oil.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think all of Denton (Texas) public transportation vehicles are powered by biodiesel, Nelson's biodiesel to be exact.

[Ysobelle]

I may not care for his songs overmuch, but no one can say he doesn't stand behind American land and American farmers.

Go, Willie!

[Cerulean Fire]

::pours rum into glass:: Here ya go, hon.


I do agree we won't put up with this for much longer. Especially after the now 20-somethings have enough power to make it a reality. I have hope in our children.

And since I live in an area where no public transportation exists (hopefully that will change) ::pulls out hybrid car brochures and ponders on next purchase::

Here Here on the hybrid car!! and thanx for the rum.

[Cerulean Fire]

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There is also making biodiesel from new vegetable oil, or even cheaper, getting the waste from your local Mcdonalds.
Thats a fabulas idea... but i just had a really disturbing flash back from the movie Fight Club... ugh uch

[Dmitri]

Bio diesel is a good idea, but it's a bandaid. We need to look farther than that. You don't want to touch Alaska? Fine... Buth no one has come up with an equally economical way of getting oil (for the "meanwhile") And even so, where are we going to refine it.

Everyone's scared of Nuclear power (living 10 miles from Indian Point I hear it all frelling day) everyone's complaining about fuel oil... Nobody likes teh performance of electric cars...

People, we can't have it all ways. Something's got to give, there needs to be a compromise... The major car companies are STILL prodicing gas hogs... Can a Hummer really have good milage*? The new Dodge Charger or Magnum? The new Ford Mustang?

We are all, as Americans, creatures of comfort. We want big and comfy, but then complain when the costs are too high... Compromise? Anyone? Beuller?



*any wench wanting to demonstrate the true milage of a hummer can PM me.::wicked::

[Cerulean Fire]

Hello there all...
This artical will help on the topic at hand, it goes into hybrids and how the Hummer sux... also has the info on the tax break.

www.slate.com/id/2096191/#ContinueArticle

ps the Hummer gets about 13 miles to the gallon... less than my stratus but more than my Grandparents Camper... hmmm... still a very bad idea. I think anyway. Size matters, but who needs that? I would rather have a truck. its at least usefull and big... just how I like my men by the way...( see closing note...hehe)

[Dmitri]

usefull and big... just how I like my men by the way...( see closing note...hehe)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Does a Utilikilt count?

[Bean]

I figure that gas can't be hurting too many people here in northern VA. I saw 2 Hummers on my way to work today, and the mall parking lot is full of SUV's. I am also having a great sales month!! Oh, well, somebody has to pay my salary............and my sales bonus.............

[ladyleggs]

Do you see all the trouble you have caused Roger?lol. Just kidding, but it seems to be going on and on, you are a bad, bad boy.......lol

[Buxom Wench]

but sometimes........

bad is good........ very very good :wink:

[Pansy Faye]

....We are all, as Americans, creatures of comfort. We want big and comfy, but then complain when the costs are too high... Compromise? Anyone? Beuller?....::wicked::

I say we go back to horses. They were great for getting you wher you wanted to go.. they could pull your wagon full of stuff and they would mow your lawn - all for a few carrots. Plus you could use their " :shhh: " for fertilizer in your gardens. How much better could it get.

But Dimitri is right, this country live for faster, better, bigger, more. Oops - must me a country of Wenches! ;-)

[Ysobelle]

Dmitri, it's not that some people want everything. It's that some people don't believe they should have to sacrifice, and some think they should. I'd love a bigger vehicle to haul around my business stuff, but I drive a ULEV (Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle) Honda Civic instead. When I have to switch up, I'm hoping I'll be able to afford a hybrid.

It's not just cars, though-- when I did my "footprint," I discovered it's more in the packaging and food waste that I'm a harm to the environment. We just don't live in a culture that prizes and supports ecologically friendly living.

And I don't think ANWAR is the answer. Even if we start building rigs and pipelines tomorrow, it'd be years before we got any oil out, and no one honestly knows how much is there. It's a stopgap measure at best, and the harm it'd do is irreversible. Same with the environmental restrictions Bush wants to lift right now. We're already on the edge of permanent, unstoppable damage to the planet, and he wants to ease restrictions on energy producers. Again, it won't do much good, but it could do an immense amount of harm.

We should have been working much harder at better environmental practices years and years ago. Until then, we have to fend for ourselves and do whatever we can as individuals. No one else is going to do it for us.

[Cerulean Fire]

Does a Utilikilt count?

Yes, yes it does... what do wou wear under um... I mean why do you wear them? I love kilts... they look great on my... um... son. yeah my son. hehe who will need a new kilt for faire this season. and Murray Plad is not cheep! (good thing he's 8.) Can't wait till Celtic fling by the way... just thought i would add that.

[Guinevere]

I live in England.

Petrol is roughly $8 a gallon here for diesel, slightly less for regular petrol, and rising. And this is in a country with less of a demand, as the cars are as a whole more efficent (60 MPG for the Citroen I'd like to buy) and there is working public transport pretty much everywhere (the reason I haven't bought the Citroen yet-I just plain don't need it when I have the bus and the train).

Somehow, I don't think the cost of gas in the US is too high. There's an increased demand (China, anyone?) and political tensions (regardless of who started them) in a vital area. These things affect prices.

There's no way prices are going to drop or oil companies' profits are going to be cut while there's A: an oil baby in the White house and B: an ever-increasing demand for gasoline in the first place.

[Rosina Cernak]

"If I could be a superhero
I'd be Immigration Dude
I’d send all the foreigners back to their homes
For eating up all of our food
And taking our welfare and best jobs to boot
Like landscaping, dishwashing, picking our fruit
I’d pass a lot of laws to get rid of their brood
‘Cause I’d be Immigration Dude"

-Stephen Lynch 'Superhero'

I am so with you on that one.
and we also need to keep in mind that china has (i believe) in the past 2 years double their oil usage because they are industrializing their country.
Rosina

[Dmitri]

Yes, yes it does... what do wou wear under um... I mean why do you wear them? I love kilts... they look great on my... um... son. yeah my son. hehe who will need a new kilt for faire this season. and Murray Plad is not cheep! (good thing he's 8.) Can't wait till Celtic fling by the way... just thought i would add that.

I wear it cause it comfy... and I like the breeze... My daughter thinks it looks funny... I don't wear a kilt at faire because it's not my persona... Not many Gypsies wearing plaids... So I wear it elsewhere...