Didn't I just say we needed to Sterilize the Gene Pool?!?!?

[Buxom Wench]

JIMINY CRICKETS!! Where are they all frellin' coming from?!?!?!

U.S. couple get probation for "educational" sex

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070320/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_usa_crime_sex

Tue Mar 20, 2:49 PM ET



A Rhode Island woman who routinely had sex with her boyfriend in front of her 9-year-old daughter to teach her about sex was sentenced to three years' probation, authorities said on Tuesday.

Rebecca Arnold, 37, and David Prata, 33, who received the same sentence this week, told investigators they thought the practice would help the child to learn, prosecutors said.

"Basically, and I'm tempted to say idiotically, they believed it was helpful to the girl, Ms. Arnold's daughter; they believed it was helpful to her development to see them engaging in various sex acts in front of her," said Mike Healey, spokesman for state attorney general Patrick Lynch.

The pair told investigators that they allowed the girl to watch their sexual romps but did not compel her to.

Rhode Island Chief Family Court Judge Jeremiah Jeremiah Jr. allowed the couple from the city of Woonsocket to plead guilty and accept probation, instead of jail time, because he wanted to spare the girl the pain of a trial, local media said.

The girl mentioned the activity to her father while visiting him in Massachusetts and he reported the incident to authorities, Healey said.

[Peaches O Malley]

Oy..:roll:

[daBaroness]

Educating the girl my ass! They're sick, twisted and wrong, period! And three years' probation is a joke! The child should go live with her father and her mother should have only supervised visits - if any.

Just when you think you've heard it all ...

[Emma]

There was a cult on a law an order episode that did this recently... I wonder if that's where they got the stupid idea.

~Emma

[Torra]

From what I understand, they'd been doing it for years. Which is absurd - she's not learning anything other than her mother is a wacko. I agree with daBaroness, this girl should not only be spared the pain of a trial, but the pain of living with her mother and just be sent to her dad's. You know she'll be given a hard time at school where she is; if they don't know who it is now, the kids will find out, and she shouldn't have to go through that either.

[renren]

::WTF::


.....WOW......
Yeah, hope she goes to live with the Dad,poor girl.

[DoñaNina]

...weird.

Just.. f'ing weird. I mean seriously. WTF.

[MaidenFaeSnow]

I would like to think that her father is going to sue for full costudy. No way were they doing it for her, they were getting off on having her watch. F-ing DISGUSTING!

Hopefully she will receive penty of counseling and it will not have such a bad effect on her long-term that she won't be able to enjoy a loving and physical relationship of her own one day.

[Buxom Wench]

The sad thing is, if she's been subjected to this for years, she never knew it was wrong.
It was how she was being brought up.
I also hope that good counsling and loving support from her Dad help her through this.

[Bean]

I can just imaging how cruel teenage boys would be to her..... "hey, she know all about sex, lets see just how much..."

That poor girl is headed for so much sexual harassment from her classmates it isn't even funny. I hope she can relocate with her father, and that this can stay out of that new environment so she can go on to lead as normal a life as possible.

[Jayde]

I agree, I hope she goes to live with her father.

I can't even fathom what they could have been thinking. At that child's age (I personally think is even too young) you're supposed to teach them about it, NOT HOW TO HAVE IT! These people are just sick and wrong.

[Torra]

I agree, I hope she goes to live with her father.

I can't even fathom what they could have been thinking. At that child's age (I personally think is even too young) you're supposed to teach them about it, NOT HOW TO HAVE IT! These people are just sick and wrong.

Even if the parents were of the same mentality mine were ("if you're old enough to ask directly, then you're old enough to get an honest, biological answer."), I agree that she didn't need a show-and-tell. I can't even imagine a kid going up to his or her mom or dad and saying, "You know, I was wondering about where I came from. Wanna show me?" Rather the reverse, as most kids (and some adults!) I know are of the mentality that their parents ought to be totally asexual beings, who had intercourse a grand total of the number of children they have.

[DoñaNina]

most kids (and some adults!) I know are of the mentality that their parents ought to be totally asexual beings, who had intercourse a grand total of the number of children they have.

*raises hand*

Not thinking about it not thinking about it not thinking about it...............

[Ariel]

Just when I thought people couldn't get any worse to one another. :ow:

[Phoenix McHeit]

I've been biting my tongue at all the nasty comments here. Have all of you forgotten (or maybe just never knew) that in many Native tribes... this is normal? Its considered part of good parenting to teach the youngsters how, where & when. Its also a sign of a people who aren't repressed & terrified of their own bodies & sexuality.

Yes, societal mores have changed - but my goodness, ladies. Such nastiness? That saddens me. Yes, I too think its the wrong way to go about it nowadays. But its not something I'd call for blood on. The little girl is not being raped (as far as we know, I admit) nor asked to participate.

And before I get rumors started, no I don't allow my boys to watch.

[Gemdrite]

Rather the reverse, as most kids (and some adults!) I know are of the mentality that their parents ought to be totally asexual beings, who had intercourse a grand total of the number of children they have.
I don't know about you, but my sibs and I were all immaculate conception. My parents never have had sex, ever.

And ya know Phee? I agree with ya. It may not be our way of life, but if this a post about how some Christians (or any other religious group for that matter) had interfered with some native tribes custom of having sex in front of their children, I think the hue and cry would be different. I think we would be hearing more "leave them alone, they are just different than us!" I may not agree with what the woman did, and I may never do it myself, but I don't see it as much different than any other belief or practice we do in front of our children.

[Isabelle Warwicke]

I in many Native tribes... this is normal? Its considered part of good parenting to teach the youngsters how, where & when. Its also a sign of a people who aren't repressed & terrified of their own bodies & sexuality.

Yes, societal mores have changed - but my goodness, ladies. Such nastiness? That saddens me. Yes, I too think its the wrong way to go about it nowadays.

In part you are correct. But the parents were NOT part of one of those cultures, so that does not excuse their behavior, perhaps it may explain the probation as a punishment.

However, I would have ben MORTIFIED if my parents wanted to have *EW* in front of me at that tender young age. I grew up to be a very comfortable, non-repressed, sexually open human being and no one but myself taught me how sex worked exactly.

Yikes.

[Gemdrite]

In part you are correct. But the parents were NOT part of one of those cultures, so that does not excuse their behavior, perhaps it may explain the probation as a punishment.
So now we have to be? What happened to freedom to choose?

I guess I just see it as, unless the girl was complaining/being forced to do something she didn't want to, or statutory rape was going on, I don't think anyone should have interfered.

[DoñaNina]

Yanno, there's a lot of things that my ancestors did that I wouldn't have done. For example.. ritualistic blood shedding. Cannibalism. Having your kids watch you get it.

As a native, yeah.. it's sad much of our culture has dissapeared due to racism (which is still rampant, where my dad is from) and Europeans peeing on our old way of doing things. However, I'm gonna hafta say that if there's one thing I'm glad we don't do anymore, it's that. Maybe my great great grandparents thought it was the right thing to do, but personally I'd like to keep my kids from ever having to witness their mom doing "stuff" with daddy.

[daBaroness]

What is practiced within a given culture - past, present or future and becomes the norm is what is considered a standard. While in the past many native many native cultures taught the next generation about sex and reproduction through demonstration - and indeed some tribal peoples still do this - it is not considered the norm in our culture. Teaching in this manner most likely evolved because it was the best way to transfer the knowledge and rituals involved. But like it or not, in our modern world of printed materials, computers, videos and other ways of disseminating information - the actual physical demonstration of sex practices is no longer considered as the norm.

And while native cultures sharing this intimate information with their children was practical, natural, innocent and healthy within those cultures - I'm guessing this particular instance was none of the above. I don't recall seeing anything about the couple in question be part of a native tribe or practicing a time-held tradition.

As for being mean and nasty - unless I have concrete evidence that these people were truly practicing some ancient, tribal custom and legitimately didn't know it wasn't an acceptable practice in this day and within the legal jurisdiction where they live - I still think they're misguided, sick individuals who get some perverted thrill out of having sex in front of her child. If it was my ex and my child - the ex would be 6 feet under right now. Some things are just not appropriate for children.

[Gemdrite]

What is practiced within a given culture - past, present or future and becomes the norm is what is considered a standard.


As for being mean and nasty - unless I have concrete evidence that these people were truly practicing some ancient, tribal custom and legitimately didn't know it wasn't an acceptable practice in this day and within the legal jurisdiction where they live - I still think they're misguided, sick individuals who get some perverted thrill out of having sex in front of her child.
I guess my point is, we don't know. We don't know why they did it, we don't know it's affect, and we don't know the circumstances surrounding any of this. It concerns me, however, that because it is not the norm, they are sick, perverted, disgusting, etc. I don't find nudism to be particularly appealing, but some people do, and there isn't an outcry about children living in that type of society. I just don't think there is enough evidence in this article for anyone but the people involved to make a decision or a judgement.

[Torra]

I guess my point is, we don't know. We don't know why they did it, we don't know it's affect, and we don't know the circumstances surrounding any of this. It concerns me, however, that because it is not the norm, they are sick, perverted, disgusting, etc. I don't find nudism to be particularly appealing, but some people do, and there isn't an outcry about children living in that type of society. I just don't think there is enough evidence in this article for anyone but the people involved to make a decision or a judgement.

But most parents who are nudists do not force their children to watch; most have separate rooms in their homes where they can be naked, and go to special retreats or vacations that are clothing-optional. And if they live in a co-op or some such, where they can be nude 24/7, I'm fairly sure the children would have to decide what to do, ie, live with parents or other relatives.