Glamping

[Selena]

I read this article earlier this morning, and I thought about posting it here, but I didn't. But something sparked a thought in me from the "kids at faire" thread and I wanted to take something that Bonnie Strangeways just said and elaborate on it.

So here's this story... read it. It's a bit enlightening, as what it's doing is teaching the rich kids that all you have to do is pay for something and you can get even camping for no work. You get your butler and a hot tub and prepared meals.

What does this teach about nature? What does this pass along to kids?


My point of view--- yes, camping is a fucking pain in the ass. It is! And it's SUPPOSED to be. But when I was a kid, you learn to feel an accomplishment on what you have created and learned. Camping is not, never has been about the "Butler service". It's about getting away from the luxuries of most of our modern life and enjoying nature. As a kid, I hiked around Tres Rios in the New Mexico mountains for a week straight with ONLY what you could carry on your backpack and your freezdried meals, we had a canoe as well as a raft on different trips and traveled rivers across this nation and learned that thing called self accomplishment.

Yes, it was hard work... and boy, did I feel like I DID something amazing!

Is it just me, or are these kids just learning that if you have the right amount of money, you don't have to "camp". Just pay your way and everyone else will do it for you... even fishing! Where's the "accomplishment" and self worth factor? Or is it all about convenience and money these days?

And to be honest, as I get older and in worse physical shape, camping is difficult... but I still do it! I still have my tent, I sleep in the heat and the hold, I cook on a coleman stove, I have limited light, but I have the mattress that sits off the ground (so my bones don't ache for 2 weeks afterwards!) and the little comfort of a travel shower. But to me, this whole idea of "glamping" seems a bit silly and spoiled.

All this seems to me is a five star hotel room that has a canvas build instead of drywall and paint.

Thoughts??


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-glamping19aug19,0,1779817.story?coll=la-home-center

[Buxom Wench]

Back in the age of dinosaurs when I was a kid, my parents sent me to 'day camp' for 2 week sessions.

We learned what plants were poison, what were ok to eat or make into tea (mmm, sassafras), how to build a lean-to shelter and a plethora of other real world useful knowledge.
At the end of the 2 weeks, we had an overnight. You slept in the lean-to you built for the last 2 weeks. You cooked over a campfire, not even a Coleman stove. And you learned to help others and let others help you.
Those were some of the best times of my life.
I also spent many weeks away at Girl Scout camp. (OK, no wise cracks!)
We did many of the same things that I had done at day camp except it was a 2 week overnight instead of one night.
I learned alot and it helped in real life situations.

What Selena has posted is all about being spoiled, pampered and thinking that the "camper" is the Sun and we all revolve around them.

What do I think of this concept?
Take away the trustfunds, allowances, cars, 'toys', get a real life and grow the hell up.
Learn to be useful instead of useless.

[lavender r dragon]

OH MY GOODNESS.:unamused:

slightly related:
a nephew of my uncle went to YMCA Camp Greenville (SC - beautiful place!!!) one summer and most of the kids there are rich. they were talking about what to cook on their three night/four day excursion away from main camp. one girl didn't know how to cook any of the things mentioned. so they were like "can you make scrambled eggs for breakfast one morning?" her response was "i've never made scrambled eggs - i don't even know how to start" so they asked "what about sandwiches" and her response was "I guess i could...but i've never made a sandwich"

She was FOURTEEN and had never been home alone - not even for 5minutes - there was always a butler or something home with her who would make her some food.

[Buxom Wench]

OH MY GOODNESS.:unamused:

slightly related:
a nephew of my uncle went to YMCA Camp Greenville (SC - beautiful place!!!) one summer and most of the kids there are rich. they were talking about what to cook on their three night/four day excursion away from main camp. one girl didn't know how to cook any of the things mentioned. so they were like "can you make scrambled eggs for breakfast one morning?" her response was "i've never made scrambled eggs - i don't even know how to start" so they asked "what about sandwiches" and her response was "I guess i could...but i've never made a sandwich"

She was FOURTEEN and had never been home alone - not even for 5minutes - there was always a butler or something home with her who would make her some food.

That's very sad.
I always asked my kid's friends; Could you take care of yourself if you were somehow left on your own?

Most could do a few basics but it was sad to hear that some didn't know how to cook, do laundry, or even which doctor to call.
Alot of those kids came to my house to learn to cook and , unbeknownst to me, watch me do day to day domestics.

[Lady Sarah]

:sigh: I had a long snarky post all ready to go for the posts and just realized that it's not worth it to put it up.

I will say that there's some hateful things in these posts. I don't like camping. I'd rather stay in a motel than camp. I guess that makes me one of the pampered people.

[Buxom Wench]

:sigh: I had a long snarky post all ready to go for the posts and just realized that it's not worth it to put it up.

I will say that there's some hateful things in these posts. I don't like camping. I'd rather stay in a motel than camp. I guess that makes me one of the pampered people.

No Sarah, that doesn't make you pampered because you CHOOSE to go to a hotel. That's your preference.

What makes these kids pampered is having someone (butlers, whatever) doing all the things that go ALONG with the camping.
Anyone can sleep in a tent. It's all the work that goes with it that these kids EXPECT someone else to do for them.

I'm sure if you DID go camping, you could do it without having a butler or maid do it for you.

[Lady Sarah]

I'm sure if you DID go camping, you could do it without having a butler or maid do it for you.

Probably not. I'd rather have a my fingernails pulled out of my fingertips than go camping. The joke about 'roughing it' is calling room service? Not a joke. I wouldn't know my way around a camp site without someone having to show me where everything is and what's going on.

You're talking to the girl who went to grandmother's funeral, stepped in a mud puddle with her brand new heels and told the pastor that *this* is why she lives in the city.

[RaevynCait]

:sigh: I had a long snarky post all ready to go for the posts and just realized that it's not worth it to put it up.

I will say that there's some hateful things in these posts. I don't like camping. I'd rather stay in a motel than camp. I guess that makes me one of the pampered people.

I'm right there with you on the motel thing, but I don't think that makes us particularly pampered, just selective about where we want to have a lie down. I've done the camping thing exactly twice. The first time I was a brownie scout, 1 night, it poured down rain, our tents were very old, and we woke up with them plastered to our faces. The second time we were in a camper, and that wasn't so bad, but at this point in my life, unless it's got running hot/cold water and a solid roof & walls, I'm not doing it.

People who don't teach their children the very basics, like how to prepare at least basics to feed themselves, clean their clothes, etc. are, IMHO, doing them a grave disservice. I think, that the biggest difference between me, and those spoiled kids in the article, is that if I HAD TO I could survive without anyone to do anything for me, even in a camping setting, and they couldn't even do it at home, I would suspect, much less without any of the toys they are accustomed to.

[sslider66]

Many moons ago, I was running the kitchen in a bakery/sandwich shop and it totally floored me when I would get people that didn't even know how to de-bone a chicken. And forget asking them to mix the meatloaf! They seriously would not put their hands in the meat. Needless to say, those kids didn't stay in my kitchen very long!

I'm not a "the world is gonna end tomorrow" person, BUT if something seriously bad happens, I want my kids to be able to survive. They need to know how to take care of a garden and maybe a few farm animals (and that includes the butchering of them).

I was totally amused last week when my youngest asked his older brother to fix him eggs for breakfast. He had to call me, because he had never cooked eggs over anything but a campfire. With a little prompting, he discovered that there's not much difference.

[Bonnie Strangeways]

Naw Sarah, that doesn't make you pampered hun, I *KNOW* you don't wear diapers anymore.


(demmit...I just couldn't help myself. The door was right there...honest...and now I'm running like hell......)


There's nuthin' wrong with enjoyin' the finer things in life. Not every person likes the same stuff, and that's ok, it's a big world, so there's plenty of room for it all.

Insofar as the whole camping/roughing it/kids thing....eh' to each their own I guess. Parents have the right to try and choose what they think is the best way to raise their kids. If they think that instilling the necessity of reliance on a butler/cook/whathaveyou for the rest of their natural lives is the way to go for their children...then I guess it just ensures work for future employees of tomorrow. (see, taking the long picture view here!) Personally, I think it's zany....but there ya go. My boys already know how to hunt and fish...more importantly, they know how to clean and COOK what they've caught. (tying in to the thread that Selena was referring to ;o) ) They're no Bear Grylls (they worship him only slightly less than me. *lol*) by any means. *snicker*

[Jamianne]

OH MY GOODNESS.:unamused:

She was FOURTEEN and had never been home alone - not even for 5minutes - there was always a butler or something home with her who would make her some food.

My college roommate my freshman year had no idea how to use a washer and dryer because her mom had always done her laundry for her. I ended up giving her lessons on how to wash clothes so she had something clean to wear after the first two weeks.

There's nothing wrong with choosing to stay in a hotel and it doesn't mean you're spoiled or pampered. I know plenty of people who just don't care for camping, and that's okay.

But if you choose to go camping - then go camping. Leave the butler at home. Sleep in the tent, cook food over a fire, dig a hole to pee in and everything else that goes along with it. I went to day camp for seven years when I was younger - from about 11 -13 years old, we would have overnites several times durring the summer (it was an 8 week program). I went camping with my Girl Scout troop in the middle of winter (it was cold, but we had a blast!) for years. David & I still go camping occasionally. (In case you haven't noticed, I'm one of those people who loves camping! ;-) )

[lavender r dragon]

There's nothing wrong with choosing to stay in a hotel and it doesn't mean you're spoiled or pampered. I know plenty of people who just don't care for camping, and that's okay.

But if you choose to go camping - then go camping. Leave the butler at home. Sleep in the tent, cook food over a fire, dig a hole to pee in and everything else that goes along with it.

exactly!!!

i lvoe to camp - but sometimes i'd rather stay in a hotel....there is nothing wrong with hotels...but to stay at a hotel made out of tents where you don't have to do anything and calling it "camping" is different (to me at least). if i'm going to camp, i'm going to do everything that includes. if i'm going to stay in a hotel and have everyone do it for me, i want it to be inside!8-)

[Margaret]

My first thought was: 'How cool is that! Kid wants to go camping and dad goes and makes plans." No matter how much ritz you put into it or not - dad, mom and junior got to spend time together.

The accomdations were well within their realm of experience and I don't think it was teaching the kiddo anything new or different than he's experienced in his six years of life.

[WenchLadyKate]

Sorry, advance warning, this post is all over the place with my thoughts. It's been a busy day... lol

I was always taught that camping was a choice. Some people like it and do it, some don't. I can barely pitch the stupid little three sided beach tent I have. And after I do it, I'm miserable, so I just stand there and look helpless until some dude comes and does it for me.

I dont' knot the first thing about camping. I'm camping for the first time at CTRF and I'm completely stressed out about it. I mean, completely. I hear it's not so bad there though, which is why I'm gonna do it.

When I was in girl scouts, (yea, I did that too) we did more "urban" girl scouting. We did the camping thing at a place called Lake Rickabear, but we hired the Lake guides to basically take care of what we needed. They had a grill set up for us, bunk beds to put our sleeping bags on and basically were in the small hut next to our cabin the whole time. We were taught the basics, "Leaves of three, let it be" and things like that. But we still had others do the hard stuff for us. Is that really so bad?

Nobody taught me to do my own laundry. I went down to the basement and figured it out for myself. Through trial and error I learned that hot water shrinks clothes and cold water doesn't, and that not everything is alright to be put into the washer. It dosent' take much to learn how to do your own laundry

I'm a city girl, I don't care to rough it in the wild. I'm not a big fan of nature to begin with and if I really feel the need to make camping a part of my life, I'll buy a camper or one of those trailer thingys that I can hook up to water and electricity thankyouverramuch.

[WenchLadyKate]

I thought I should add, that all kids really should at least learn to make a sandwich, dammit. That's just scary.

Everyone should know the basics to survive. Wether it's out in the wild or in the big city, it's something that everybody should learn.

[Lady Sarah]

Jamianne... you *actually* dig a hole and pee in it?

That's... a horrifying thought. You're a better person than I am.

[Margaret]

Jamianne... you *actually* dig a hole and pee in it?

That's... a horrifying thought. You're a better person than I am.

~laughs~ I'm tossing my hat in the ring of "Jamianne's more of a woman than I am!!"

I will use out houses and such, but I will draw my line at digging my potty.

Besides, you get mosquitoe bites on your hiney. *rotfl*

[Selena]

:sigh: I had a long snarky post all ready to go for the posts and just realized that it's not worth it to put it up.

I will say that there's some hateful things in these posts. I don't like camping. I'd rather stay in a motel than camp. I guess that makes me one of the pampered people.

Hateful? Where? You lost me.

You don't like camping. So what. This isn't about those who dislike camping and chose to do something else. This is about, as Bux said, those silver- spooned- silver- diapered kids who have NO idea what it's actually like to be self sustaining.

We grow older... we chose what we like and dislike. So be it. But the kid who has "always flown first class" has no idea what it's like to actually BE an animal among the rest of the animals... is lacking in basic human nature.

I'm afraid that you could never survive in a world in which you had to sustain yourself. Even as a by-choice vegetarian, I'd do what I had to do to survive... and have the knowledge with which to do it. Could these kids?

[Selena]

Jamianne... you *actually* dig a hole and pee in it?

That's... a horrifying thought. You're a better person than I am.

Yes... you dig a hole... to relieve yourself in.. And you only leave what nature intended. And you bury it when you are done.

Nothing like coming to a site and seeing someone else's trash, body or plastic, to contend with. :unamused:

[Lady Sarah]

I'm afraid that you could never survive in a world in which you had to sustain yourself. Even as a by-choice vegetarian, I'd do what I had to do to survive... and have the knowledge with which to do it. Could these kids?


I really hope you're speaking to the YOU general public and not directly at me.

[Margaret]

This is about, as Bux said, those silver- spooned- silver- diapered kids who have NO idea what it's actually like to be self sustaining.

We grow older... we chose what we like and dislike. So be it. But the kid who has "always flown first class" has no idea what it's like to actually BE an animal among the rest of the animals... is lacking in basic human nature.



I am pretty certain that young Jonny is learning his life lesssons. They just happen to be different from the ones that I learned growing up. In his world, he is fighting for his spot in it just like I am in mine. Are they the same fights? No. Is that bad? No.

In some ways rich kids have it easy - however, they are still duking out out for their piece of the pie like everyone else. They face prejudice, and scorn, joy and contentment. People make assumptions about them just because they are rich. Just like assumptions get made about kids because they are poor, white, black or what ever.

I've met middle class folks who don't know how to cook or do laundry and I've met rich kids who could cook a stellar meal.

[Lady Anisette]

First... Sarah, I camp. But only if there are toilets (to me even portas are better than a hole in the ground) and showers. Last year, when I camped at faire I ended up taking off for a hotel one night. While camping through the southwest many years ago - at KOA's - I checked into a hotel one night. Sometimes you just want the comfort. Camping is not for everyone. And there are different levels of camping. I have to have my air mattress.

Kate.... Don't stress. We will take care of you. Please, do you think I put up my tent alone? That's what rogues are for. Gives you a chance to hone your flirting skills. Just remember, extra blankets and lots of warm clothes. Or you can find someone to snuggle with....

As for this glamping... nothing new. Have you ever seen the period flicks that show the wealthy individuals going out for a picnic? With maids, butlers and china? They actually did that. When the wealthy camped or even went on safari, they took their servants and all the luxuries. So all they are doing with glamping is copying the past.

[Lady Sarah]

Yes... you dig a hole... to relieve yourself in.. And you only leave what nature intended. And you bury it when you are done.

Y'know, while the actual act is a bit beyond me as to why anyone would do so when there's a port-a-john, or even a gas station, I *KNOW* the logistics of 'bomb sites', Thank You.

I might not be a Grizzly Adams sort, but I'm not stupid.

[Selena]

Y'know, while the actual act is a bit beyond me as to why anyone would do so when there's a port-a-john, or even a gas station, I *KNOW* the logistics of 'bomb sites', Thank You.

I might not be a Grizzly Adams sort, but I'm not stupid.



err... why are you taking this approach? how do you know there is a blue buddy 'round the bend?? OR even a gas station. Assumption, m'dear.. assumption.

I'm not nor have I ever said you are stupid... but geez, sarah, don't be so obtuse as to say, " you *actually* dig a hole and pee in it" without having some thought as to what might be beyond just that. It happens all over the world. Are you saying that your concept of camping is only related to faire??

TRF is NOT primitive camping. You seem to be annoyed that people actually digs holes in the ground in which to relieve themselves. Blue buddies aside....

[Jamianne]

I worked construction for almost 10 years. I can literally pee anywhere... ;-)

[grygrrl]

When U gotta go U GOTTA GO!!! I have peed while changing out of garb in parking lots at Faires...blue buddies be DAMNED!! Them things get to stinking very early some days and I cannot bear them!!! I have also stopped and peed by the roadside..Thank heaven garb is nice & long & wide..and car doors can hide a lot of "sins." Not that I feell whizzing when u gotta go is a "sin."

[Lady Sarah]

err... why are you taking this approach? how do you know there is a blue buddy 'round the bend?? OR even a gas station. Assumption, m'dear.. assumption.

I'm not nor have I ever said you are stupid... but geez, sarah, don't be so obtuse as to say, " you *actually* dig a hole and pee in it" without having some thought as to what might be beyond just that. It happens all over the world. Are you saying that your concept of camping is only related to faire??

TRF is NOT primitive camping. You seem to be annoyed that people actually digs holes in the ground in which to relieve themselves. Blue buddies aside....

Wow, you're finally getting it Selena - I.Don't.Camp. I've.never.been.camping. I don't camp at Faire, I don't camp anywhere. If I'm going on a trip, it's hotels all the way. Even when I went to Colorado, I stayed in a hotel. The closest I have been to actual camping has been a 'campsite' that had bungalows and a gathering hall. And we had bathrooms and outdoor showers. And that is as rustic as I *ever* want to get, Thank You.

The concept of digging said hole is beyond me. Yes, people all over the world do it and have done it for centuries. I am not annoyed that people dig holes - how presumptious of you to think that I am annoyed at the thought. I am, however, rather shocked that modern people actually DO choose to do so. If it enhances your camping experience, then all the more power to you. It's not something I'd ever consider myself.

I will say, however, that I'm getting rather sick of having to defend my opinions and views to you. I'll consider this a sign to keep my damned opinions and stances to myself.

[Lady Sarah]

I worked construction for almost 10 years. I can literally pee anywhere... ;-)

:lol: like I said, you are a better woman than I am. I just can't bring myself to do that.

A co-worker and I were out clubbing one night and she hadda go... so she dropped trou and peed right there in the parking garage of a friend's apartment complex. I had to go too, but I just couldn't do it.

[Jamianne]

:lol: like I said, you are a better woman than I am. I just can't bring myself to do that.

A co-worker and I were out clubbing one night and she hadda go... so she dropped trou and peed right there in the parking garage of a friend's apartment complex. I had to go too, but I just couldn't do it.

:lol: When I was a kid, we'd drive from NY to Virginia or PA and I'd always have to go when there was no rest stop or gas station to be found. So my parents pulled over and I'd have to go on the side of the road. I think the whole pee-ing outside thing became ingrained into my brain. :-)

Though ever since watching a couple guys get rolled down the hill in the port-a-pots, I've made sure to make those trips as quick as possible!

[Selena]

Wow, you're finally getting it Selena - I.Don't.Camp. I've.never.been.camping. I don't camp at Faire, I don't camp anywhere. If I'm going on a trip, it's hotels all the way. Even when I went to Colorado, I stayed in a hotel. The closest I have been to actual camping has been a 'campsite' that had bungalows and a gathering hall. And we had bathrooms and outdoor showers. And that is as rustic as I *ever* want to get, Thank You.

The concept of digging said hole is beyond me. Yes, people all over the world do it and have done it for centuries. I am not annoyed that people dig holes - how presumptious of you to think that I am annoyed at the thought. I am, however, rather shocked that modern people actually DO choose to do so. If it enhances your camping experience, then all the more power to you. It's not something I'd ever consider myself.

I will say, however, that I'm getting rather sick of having to defend my opinions and views to you. I'll consider this a sign to keep my damned opinions and stances to myself.

Oh for fuck's sake, Sarah, enough with the snark. This was not nor ever was towards you. But yet from the get-go you chimed in and it's ready for a fight... "had a long snarky post all ready to go for the posts and just realized that it's not worth it to put it up." What made you think so? This was never directed at you... it in a way, was directed at myself on a different level.I have no idea of your camping experience or lack thereof. Never claimed to. But geez, give it a rest... don't patronize me with sarcasm. I have no idea what your life experiences are, so if you ask a question, don't respond with naive replies like, " you *actually* dig a hole and pee in it? That's... a horrifying thought. You're a better person than I am" and not expect some kind of reply on that. You are not dumb, but you certainly seem to be ignorant of the fact that people do seem to have a "come-to-jesus" sort of moment when dealing one to one with the elements. It's not you... it's just.not.you. And??

But you fail to recognize and were blinded by your personal offense the reason for this post to begin with.

[Artemisia]

Hrmph, I sent my kid to camp (http://www.campredwood.net/) for two weeks and he enjoyed it. I know I wouldn't have paid lots-o-money if the kid was going to be pampered hand and foot. There was baseball, tennis, basketball, water skiing, archery, nightly maneuvers into the girls camp to take away all their clothing from the lines (retaliated by the girls who stuffed the boys mattresses into the rafters!), meeting new kids from other countries, the making of "bug juice" and daily postcards to us to let us know he's okay.

All I've done is Pennsic which includes my canopy bed, wood furniture, port-a-castles, cooking meals... I guess it's a little of both worlds. We have some people that decide they are going to stay in a hotel for the week (or two) they are there. You know what...me and my campmates don't care.

I think this glamping is all about the yuppies / overnight ecologists who don't know what to do with their leftover millions and are feeling just a wee bit guilty for sullying the earth during the '70's and '80's.

Kids now-a-days aren't the same at all. My daughter sees that and is determined to keep down-to-earth values even though her future kids maybe considered the odd ones out in this world of excess. Correction, nation of excess.

[Margaret]

:lol: When I was a kid, we'd drive from NY to Virginia or PA and I'd always have to go when there was no rest stop or gas station to be found. So my parents pulled over and I'd have to go on the side of the road. I think the whole pee-ing outside thing became ingrained into my brain. :-)

Yep - I lived in the Upper Pennensula. Pee'ed in the woods many a time. At a Lake Superior beach alot of driftwood washes ashore. Makes for a nice seat, it does.

But, I just can't imagine doing that for a whole weeks worth of camping. I'm older and my hiney and I like our comforts. :wink:

Though ever since watching a couple guys get rolled down the hill in the port-a-pots, I've made sure to make those trips as quick as possible!


Seeing that would just put me off port-o-pots forEVER!! :-D

[WenchLadyKate]

Jamianne... you *actually* dig a hole and pee in it?

That's... a horrifying thought. You're a better person than I am.

Wow, yea... No joke. The only time I came close to camping, we had running water and a bathroom. Yea, we had to go outside to get to it, but it was still porcelain toilets with water. The concept of digging a hole and doing your business in it, wether it be onsies or twosies, is completely foreign to me. I'm with you there, girl.

[WenchLadyKate]

Aw, thanks, Lady A. I'll fill my little car with extra blankets and pillows. Hopefully, I'll find myself a snuggle buddy to keep me warm...

I'm anxious and nervous about it because I've got no idea what to expect really, but I'm also excited for the same reasons. And if I'm gonna camp for the first time, I couldn't have better company than you guys! :-)

[moiradochartaigh]

The article reminded me of a National Geographic one I read years ago about the Victorian's view of an African "safari." Camp tents had real furniture, the floors were carpeted with Persian rugs, and chefs prepared every meal. All the "travelers" needed to do was look impressive while methodically killing the wildlife that the native guides found for them.

I guess things really haven't changed that much..... :roll:

[Selena]

The article reminded me of a National Geographic one I read years ago about the Victorian's view of an African "safari." Camp tents had real furniture, the floors were carpeteed with Persian rugs, and chefs prepared every meal. All the "travelers" needed to do was look impressive while methodically killing the wildlife that the native guides found for them.

I guess things really haven't changed that much..... :roll:

::snort::

Now that reminds me of the tent in the Potter (Goblet of Fire) movie... that was bloody kewl!!! Completely impossible, but cool.

[moiradochartaigh]

::snort::

Now that reminds me of the tent in the Potter (Goblet of Fire) movie... that was bloody kewl!!! Completely impossible, but cool.

Now I'd be willing to go camping in that kind of tent!

I spent enough seasons camping with the Girl Scouts to know my basics.... and to know that it wasn't the way for me. Given the preference, I'm a hotel kinda gal myself. But if I had to camp, I could do it.

Grudgingly, of course..... ;-)

[Bean]

We camped alot growing up and we had this portable toilet seat that you tied a bag to so you didn't have to leave the camper in the middle of the night to tromp off to the potties. It also was good because when we were little all we had to do was get up and go; we didn't have to wake someone up to take us to the potties.

Now, I love to camp!! There is nothing like the smell of a fire, sitting around talking, seeing all the stars at night, hearing the sounds of the night, it's awesome!! I hope to buy a small pop up camper in the next few years providing I have a place to keep it! Can't do that now with "on street parking" at the current apartment!!!

[Bonnie Strangeways]

I guess I haven't gotten all that far away from the caves *grunt*...I just got back from a camping trip three weeks ago and we had latrines. All I gotta say is Jeeps, guns, dirt and fun will make up for some pretty rough stuff I guess. *shrug*


But again, that goes with different strokes for different folks. I'm standing here proud of a tan line that looks like a sholder holster for my Sig Sauer...I'm not thinkin' that's everyone on this Board's cuppa tea either. But, then again, there's things that some ladies enjoy on this board that makes me shudder. (*twitch*Malls*twitch*)

[Lady Sarah]

But again, that goes with different strokes for different folks. I'm standing here proud of a tan line that looks like a sholder holster for my Sig Sauer...I'm not thinkin' that's everyone on this Board's cuppa tea either. But, then again, there's things that some ladies enjoy on this board that makes me shudder. (*twitch*Malls*twitch*)

Malls are great for some thing... shoes rock and makeup, while I don't wear it all that much, is like heroin to me.

wait until you hear, however, what I'm saving my pennies for. it's big, it's Israeli and it's loud.

[ambar]

But again, that goes with different strokes for different folks. I'm standing here proud of a tan line that looks like a sholder holster for my Sig Sauer...I'm not thinkin' that's everyone on this Board's cuppa tea either. But, then again, there's things that some ladies enjoy on this board that makes me shudder. (*twitch*Malls*twitch*)

*rolls on the floor laughing* Bonnie, if you ever turned into a mall rat, we'd all die of fright. Don't change a thing!!

[Ysobelle]

wait until you hear, however, what I'm saving my pennies for. it's big, it's Israeli and it's loud.



Oh, my G-d, you're having a Purim party????

[Lady Sarah]

Oh, my G-d, you're having a Purim party????

OK, that's it... the Halibut and Mackerel have been cast aside for Gefeltefish! *rotfl*

[ambar]

Tea....meet the keyboard. *starts to wipe the keyboard down*

[Lady Anisette]

Oh, my G-d, you're having a Purim party????

Yum! Hamantashen!! My favorite cookie ever.:yum:

[Buxom Wench]

Yum! Hamantashen!! My favorite cookie ever.:yum:

*note to self: new cookie to make if going to faire where Lady A will be.
Grandma Cohen would be so pleased with me. :lol:

[Lady Anisette]

*note to self: new cookie to make if going to faire where Lady A will be.
Grandma Cohen would be so pleased with me. :lol:

Bux... there is always CTRF. Four weekends of fun and mayhem. ;-)

[Buxom Wench]

Bux... there is always CTRF. Four weekends of fun and mayhem. ;-)

Sweetie, I'll have to try for next year.

I'm getting ready for PARF Labor Day weekend and then it's off to Texas for Tablerock and possibly Middlefaire, back to NY for 3 weeks then back to Texas for TRF and Bryan & Nicole's wedding and Halloween.

[LdyJhawk]

Good lord..you know, I camped in my time. In torrential downpours, at faire sites for vendors..at Heartland Pagan Fest doing the moan by moan report for the pervy people nearby who couldn't keep it down.

Now? To me, camping is anything below 3 stars *hangs head* I've managed to become spoiled. I had a perfectly adequate hotel room for Disneyland at 80 a night. It was mostly clean, free of the elements..the bed? Solid rock. We ponied up 350 a night for the other two nights to stay at the Grand Californian with a spa, room service and down pillowtop beds. It looked rustic and 1900's style craftsman though..does that count? If you ignore the guy in the tux playing the grand piano in the lobby. I could never afford it on my own but if I can, why not?

These parents are at least trying to do something their kids want. So they can afford butlers and maids. Would I do it? No. I think it's ridiculous. If you WANT to camp, do some of the work at least by yourself to get the experience. But hey, he wanted to go fishing..they found a way to make it happen