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lavender r dragon
08-24-2007, 01:19 PM
http://tv.yahoo.com/kid-nation/show/41733/news/urn:newsml:tv.ap.org:20070823:kid_nation_complaint s

A CBS reality series in which youngsters run their own town has prompted complaints from one of the children's parents, and may have skirted New Mexico's child-protection laws.

"Kid Nation," slated to premiere Sept. 19, was filmed over 40 days during April and May in a movie-set town in the high desert just south of Santa Fe.

While parents and children made available by CBS praised the production as safe, well-supervised and a learning experience, one mother has told authorities the conditions warrant an abuse investigation.

Janis Miles of Fayetteville, Ga., said in a letter that her 12-year-old daughter, Divad Miles, was spattered on her face with grease while cooking potatoes on a wood stove, and that four other children required medical attention after they accidentally drank bleach.

Her daughter also had a rash that had caused scarring, and sunburn on her face and hands, Miles wrote.

Miles declined to talk to a reporter, referring calls to CBS.

Tom Forman, the show's executive producer, confirmed the grease-spattering and bleach-sipping incidents, but called them the kinds of accidents that can happen "in any kitchen, in any school, in any home, in any camp" and said that the children immediately got medical attention.

Forman said adults were present at all times during the production, ready to step in.

CBS said paramedics, a pediatrician, an animal safety expert, a child psychologist and a "roster of producers" were onsite, too. Children were required to arrange with their school districts to make up missed work, the network said.

"There's an unhappy parent, and in retrospect it was probably a bad match. ... This seems to be a parent who regrets the decision to sign her child up for Kid Nation," Forman said.

The children in the show, ages 8-15, hauled water, prepared meals, elected a government and passed laws.

"The whole concept of the show is 40 kids who build a world of their own," Forman said.

The children are to be paid $5,000 apiece when the series airs, and one child per episode was awarded a solid-gold star by the town's elected government worth $20,000, Forman said.

Miles complained to a sheriff in Georgia in June, and her letter was forwarded to Santa Fe County Sheriff Greg Solano, who said his office investigated and found "no prosecutable evidence of neglect or abuse."

"I never for one instant felt uncomfortable or unsafe," said Michael, a 14-year-old participant who lives near Seattle. "We did do some physical work, but it wasn't like we were chained to water buckets all day."

According to documents obtained from the New Mexico attorney general's office, parents signed a 22-page agreement in which they waived their rights to sue the network or production company if their children died or were injured. The agreement also acknowledged that the participants "will have no privacy," except while using bathrooms or changing rooms.

"The series was filmed responsibly and within all applicable laws in the state of New Mexico at the time of the production," CBS said in a statement.

Daphne, a Chicago mother, said her 14-year-old son, DK, accidentally used bleach when he was mixing a soda drink but felt fine after he tasted it. She said the show was an opportunity for her son to meet kids from other backgrounds.

State officials were largely unaware that the production was under way on the privately owned Bonanza Creek Movie Ranch. The state Film Office knew a "highly confidential" TV reality show would be shot there, but the office required no permits for it.

There are "congregate care" state licensing requirements when children are in group settings, according to the Children, Youth and Families Department, which didn't learn of the production until it was over.

New Mexico's child labor laws were changed as of June 15 to mirror California's requirements for child actors, because of the burgeoning film industry in the state.

But labor laws were in force during the filming, restricting the types of work children could do and hours they could work, and mandating work permits.

Lawyers for Good TV, Inc., the show's producer, told state officials that the "Kid Nation" children were not actors but rather were "volunteer contestants/participants" not required to have work permits.

The state Attorney General's office disputed the production company's interpretation but said the issue was moot because filming had concluded and any future productions would fall under the new law.

New Mexico has been promoting itself as a film location and 16 film or television productions are in the works right now, said the Film Office's director, Lisa Strout.

"This was our first experience with reality TV," said Strout, who said it was "questionable" whether the production complied with applicable state laws. "There's not any precedent to rely on. ... It's a breed unto itself that the whole industry is really looking at."

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while i disapprove of breaking laws or endangering a child....if you sign your child up to be in a reality show then you should ask what the kids are going to be doing, how they are going to be supervised etc.

i mean perhaps they shoudl have let the kids made their own laws and stuff but provided hot food, or give them safer ways to cook, but, unless the company lied to her about what was going to be happening (which she doesn't suggest), i think she should have thought more about it before signing her child up.

thoughts?

FairieTink
08-24-2007, 02:55 PM
I saw this on the news yesterday, the parents also signed a non-disclosure agreement for MANY years out. We are talking like 20 years from now they can't talk about it.

MisRed
08-24-2007, 04:03 PM
I think someone wants to cash in on the already murky issues with this "reality" show. She reported the issues to a Sherrif (in another state if I recall correctly) and the Sherriff's office found nothing to substantiate these claims.

Color me cynical, but I think Mom wants a piece of the action, was disappointed she couldn't get into a reality show and is looking to trade her kids experiences for 15 minutes.

Gellis Indigo
08-24-2007, 05:02 PM
I think someone wants to cash in on the already murky issues with this "reality" show. She reported the issues to a Sherrif (in another state if I recall correctly) and the Sherriff's office found nothing to substantiate these claims.

Color me cynical, but I think Mom wants a piece of the action, was disappointed she couldn't get into a reality show and is looking to trade her kids experiences for 15 minutes.


And probably some cash to boot.

Bean
08-24-2007, 06:53 PM
Those kids got paid $5000 each to be on the show, and they voted someone a genuine gold star (worth about $20K) each day!!! Maybe her kid didn't get a star and she wants to cash in.

She signed a contract that gave CBS no liability whatsoever. She shouldn't be griping about anything now......

surlywench
08-24-2007, 11:01 PM
yeah..i just....uhm...i would have gotten to the part about not being able to sue if my child died or whatever and would have walked away. not b/c i'm nutty for settlement $$ but simply b/c *if* my child died, i would goddamn well and surely want someone to hold accountable for it. Not that I think that they'd be doing things which would get them killed and be okay with that in the first place, but simply that kids need supervision...does that make sense? at all? cause i'm really tired, atm...:P

Isabelle Warwicke
08-25-2007, 12:11 AM
Why am I not suprised that some parent decided to complain?

Um, hello...you shipped your kid of to a place that made you sign a 20 year non-disclosure statement (which is a smokescreen for the expiration of statute of limitations, IMHO) and then you decide to bitch? You are probably the same parent who let her kid play at MJ's house and then was shocked to learn that he's a closet pedophile.

Selena
08-25-2007, 11:28 AM
Yaknow, I'm not a parent, but I sure as shit wouldn't sign a legal document stating I have NO recourse if my child were to DIE as a result of some damned reality tv show. What the hell??

gee, thanks mom... my 15 minutes of fame is worth more than my life.

Gellis Indigo
08-25-2007, 11:37 AM
Yaknow, I'm not a parent, but I sure as shit wouldn't sign a legal document stating I have NO recourse if my child were to DIE as a result of some damned reality tv show. What the hell??

gee, thanks mom... my 15 minutes of fame is worth more than my life.


You just know some of these little "darlings" begged and begged their parents because they wanted to be on TV. And most likely the parents gave in to their child to keep the kid happy in the short term instead of considering the consequences in the long term.

surlywench
08-25-2007, 03:35 PM
I have to say tho, when I signed up for horseback riding lessons, and even when I went away to summer camp, my mom was required to sign an agreement to hold the owner/camp harmless for injury and possibly even death occuring from the activities. Now, granted, I was totally under qualified supervision at all times at these places, but still....more and more places even on a local level are asking for these types of statements simply to cover their own asses.

Gellis Indigo
08-25-2007, 04:38 PM
I have to say tho, when I signed up for horseback riding lessons, and even when I went away to summer camp, my mom was required to sign an agreement to hold the owner/camp harmless for injury and possibly even death occuring from the activities. Now, granted, I was totally under qualified supervision at all times at these places, but still....more and more places even on a local level are asking for these types of statements simply to cover their own asses.

But that's been going on for quite a while. Even when I played high school sports in the late '80's my parents had to sign a waiver. But a waiver like that is totally different from a non-disclosure waiver for 20 years.

MisRed
08-27-2007, 12:39 PM
But that's been going on for quite a while. Even when I played high school sports in the late '80's my parents had to sign a waiver. But a waiver like that is totally different from a non-disclosure waiver for 20 years.

Anyplace there is a risk anymore, you have to sign some kind of a waiver (and some of them aren't legally binding, but you think they are). That being said, this woman didn't even make 1 year, much less 20.

Non-disclosures are par for the course when it comes to "reality" TV, so the non-disclosure doesn't even bother me, it's the unreasonable length. And I think many of us parents would have thought 250 times about what our kids were asking us to allow them to do.

I reiterate, it's a Mom who didn't get the "prize" she thought she would.