Guess which airline I WON'T be flying....

[Isabelle Warwicke]

Come fly the slut-shaming skies Southwest Airlines is apparently now telling its female passengers how to dress (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/braun/20070905-9999-1m5braun.html). Kyla Ebbert was reprimanded and nearly kicked off a flight for daring to wear a tank top, miniskirt, and cardigan. (This picture is of the outfit she was wearing at the time. Scandalous, no? How dare she walk around in 100-degree weather wearing that?!)
http://feministing.com/airlinedresscode.JPG
They walked out onto the jet bridge, where [flight attendant/fashion policeman] Keith told Ebbert her clothing was inappropriate and asked her to change. She explained she was flying to Tucson for only a few hours and had brought no luggage. “I asked him what part of my outfit was offensive,” she said. “The shirt? The skirt? And he said, 'The whole thing.' ”
Keith asked her to go home, change and take a later flight. She refused, citing her appointment. The plane was ready to leave, so Keith relented. He had her pull up her tank top a bit, pull down her skirt a bit, and return to her seat.

Southwest has never been my airline of choice. Now I have one more reason to fly wih other companies.

[Mistress Morigianna]

Honestly- I would rather have her beside me on a flight than a double wide football player that hasn't had a shower in a week...

[Isabelle Warwicke]

Morigianna, you are totally right on that point.

[Torra]

Hussy! How dare she want to be comfortable on a flight? It's not as if she were an adult, capable of making her own choices, right?

In all seriousness, this is ridiculous. Her outfit isn't offensive, even if it's something I personally would not wear. I wonder if someone else complained to him, and he asked her to change? No matter the cause, I think the request is way out of line, and hope that the guys in charge think so too.

[Buxom Wench]

You have to wonder what they would do if a group of Wenches in garb boarded the plane?

[Peaches O Malley]

It's been running 112 here for the past bloody month! Christonapogostick! WHat an asshat! Yeh, Southwest Airlines....the "classlass" airline. Living down to their label. :unamused:

[MaidenFaeSnow]

Is it at all possible that maybe her miniskirt was quite a bit more 'mini' before she adjusted it? Is it possible that maybe her tank top plunged quite a bit more before she tugged it up? Perhaps the photo doesn't accurately described what she really looked like pre-board? If that was the case I can then understand why someone would have said something to her (or have been asked to say something to her) and that had to have been uncomfortable.

If the picture does acurately describe what she really looked like, I wonder if the airline has recently had an issue and is being over sensitive because of it, (it's not like the show Airline paints a real pretty picture of them.)

In either case, it irks me that the airline has such a lacksidaisickle attitude about other people's time! So what if you have other things to do, just come back tomorrow...we don't really give a rat's ass!

[Capt. Stamina]

Well maybe 'Keith' was a member of The Religion of Perpetual Outrage and felt she should have been wearing a burkha.

[Buxom Wench]

OK, "someone" felt this was inappropriate to wear.
What about all the butt cracks I've had to endure on the multiple flights I've taken this year? Or how about the see-thru blouses with nothing underneath? Or the worst, the see-thru top with the "regimental" mini skirt?

[Capt. Stamina]

You forgot the undersized spandex stretched well beyond the maximum stress and safety limits.

[Buxom Wench]

You forgot the undersized spandex stretched well beyond the maximum stress and safety limits.

I saw more of that than anyone should see in a lifetime, let alone a year.

[Artemisia]

What the guard was thinking was, "You can't board this plane. It's a security risk because you're too damned hot!"

He just wanted her.

[Selena]

I'm thinking the uptight staff who didn't like what she was wearing was just that... uptight.

Yaknow, something is going to offend someone somewhere. This gal is hot. She's young, leggy and quite attractive. So what.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with what she's wearing. I wore the same thing when I was younger and thinner, yet never was kicked off a plane or not allowed entry to something.

[Lady Laurel]

Now the first thing I ask myself is she on a buddy pass, is she a employee of airline and if this is either the case then the stewardess is right.
When I fly I have to be wearing jeans and a nice shirt and a dress or nice pants for first class. If I do not my husband who works for the airlines could have his privileges taken away. This is the reason we are very careful who we give buddy passes to because if they do not dress the way the airline wants or causes any problems it comes back on us. Believe me it is a small price to pay for having cheaper tickets. So I believe there is more to this story. I see people in mini skirts, tank tops, shorts all the time, however I am not allowed to wear them.

[Isabelle Warwicke]

She's a Hooter's waitress. She bought and paid for her ticket.

[Ysobelle]

Why do I have a vague feeling that skirt's a hell of a lot shorter when she's standing up?

Sigh. Dumb thing to ask, but then, I'm also gonna say there's prolly more than we're seeing here. So to speak.

[Lady Sarah]

I gotta chime in and say that I'm with Yso.

That picture probably doesn't do the outfit justice. I've got a sinking feeling that the skirt is a LOT shorter than the picture shows and that her tanktop was a lot lower.

[Alchemist23]

HOnestly, I think she reads "trashy"...but I don't think that would be reason to tell her to leave the plane. Since when do they care what you wear as long as you are covered in the naughty bits?

[Winifred Baskerville]

HOnestly, I think she reads "trashy"...but I don't think that would be reason to tell her to leave the plane. Since when do they care what you wear as long as you are covered in the naughty bits?

I agree on all counts here. The top(s) I don't mind so much, but I am fairly damned certain that skirt just covers her rear.

Still, it's not enough reason IMO to boot somone off a plane.

[Buxom Wench]

I agree on all counts here. The top(s) I don't mind so much, but I am fairly damned certain that skirt just covers her rear.

Still, it's not enough reason IMO to boot somone off a plane.

What bothers me about this after re-reading the article;
she was already seated and the plane was set to leave.
THAT'S when they asked her to leave the plane; not when she boarded.
When she showed up later to meet with the reporter and fashion people, even they had a hard time understanding the problem.
My older daughter has worn outfits similar to that ON A SOUTHWEST PLANE and was never asked to leave the plane.

It also bothers me that no one from the airline will say exactly what was so inappropriate.

[Ysobelle]

Yeah, Bux-- I'm wondering what the rest of the story is, here.

[Winifred Baskerville]

Yeah, Bux-- I'm wondering what the rest of the story is, here.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is simply a case of someone having a bug up their rear because a young, pretty girl decides to flaunt what nature gave her.

[Pathos]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is simply a case of someone having a bug up their rear because a young, pretty girl decides to flaunt what nature gave her.
Or what she bought from the plastic surgeon.

8-)

[Lady Laurel]

The story is coming on CNN tonight. If she actually did pay for her ticket I am very surprised they asked her to leave for her clothing unless there was something lewd about what she was wearing. There has got to more to this story.

Also, what does her being a Hooters girl have to do with this story??? just curious.

[Selena]

Also, what does her being a Hooters girl have to do with this story??? just curious.

I would say nothing other than the fact that she has a job and that is her job. Not unlike a report saying something along the lines of, "the AT&T telephone operator" or something of the like. Just like the story reported she's a college student and her school... it just defines who she is a bit more as a person.

Funny... did you not have the same question as to what her specific school had to do with the story, either.

[Lis Elfwench]

Since she was already seated when they objected to her outfit...perhaps it was something in the *way* she was sitting in that short skirt???? I could see that causing issues...!

[Winifred Baskerville]

Or what she bought from the plastic surgeon.

8-)

You know, some days it's really difficult being an optimist... *grin*

[Bean]

Unless she was sitting in first class with lots of leg room, there is no way anyone was able to look up her skirt when she was sitting down. You barely have enough room for the tray table to come down in front of you. Now, if her skirt was so short that her undies (or lack there of) were showing when she sat, then that could be an issue. Especially depending on who her row mates were.

There are two sides to every story, and we are only getting one.....

[Selena]

There are two sides to every story, and we are only getting one.....

Well, until SWA decides to defend their actions, we will only get one side.

Even if she were showing a bit more than she should, that's no reason to kick a paying customer off of a plane.

[Lady Laurel]

Funny... did you not have the same question as to what her specific school had to do with the story, either.

I did not hear what college she went to, the t.v. just kept saying over and over she was a Hooters waitress like it was giving some measure of understanding about the incident.

[Gemdrite]

Well, until SWA decides to defend their actions, we will only get one side.

Even if she were showing a bit more than she should, that's no reason to kick a paying customer off of a plane.
If, and I say if because I don't know, if SWA is a private airline, not owned by the government, they can kick someone off a plane for whatever reason they want. It may not be a good reason, but that is the beauty of our country. I agree that this seems stupid, but that there are always two sides to the story and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

[Selena]

If, and I say if because I don't know, if SWA is a private airline, not owned by the government, they can kick someone off a plane for whatever reason they want. It may not be a good reason, but that is the beauty of our country. I agree that this seems stupid, but that there are always two sides to the story and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

SWA is on the NYSE-- it certainly isn't private and all civil aircraft are governed by the FAA. They are a huge commercial airline with a degree of responsiblity to the public at large and cannot just kick someone off a flight for whatever reason they want, at least without a possible lawsuit to follow. A paying customer who is not a danger to the flight nor creating a general public threat does not need fashion advise from a small crew of flight attendants, nor deserved to be kicked off just because one or two of them disagrees with corporate policy. (We don't like your hairstyle... you wear TOO much hairspray, you slut... you go now!!)

Also, the girl, according to the article, goes to Mesa college.

[Lady Sarah]

Please check the SWA Contract of Carriage (http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/coc.pdf), Section 10, Subsection F, Part 1.

And I quote: "Comfort and Safety - Carrier may refuse to transport or remove from the aircraft at any point an passenger in the following categories as may be necessary for the comfort or safety of such passenger or other passengers:
1. Persons whose conduct is or has been known to be disorderly, abusive, offensive, threatening, intimidating, or violent, or whose clothing is lewd, obscene, or patently offensive."

Southwest Airlines has the right to refuse service to anyone they deem necessary to do so to - as do all airlines.

Most people don't read the fine print on their tickets or even bother to think that there could possibly be - shock, horror - a dress code for flying. What kind of appointment was she going to that she felt a miniskirt and tanktop was appropriate?

Y'know, the more I thought about this, the less I felt sympathetic for the woman. OK, she's got a great body and she's one of the women who can get away with wearing a mini and a tank top. I'm jealous, I'll admit it.

But there's a time and place for wearing of said mini and tank. On a plane isn't one. If she was trying to combat the heat - how about a pair of shorts and a short sleeved t-shirt? If she felt the need for her mini and tank, then why didn't she pack that in a small carry on bag?

[Emrld]

Here is a bit more from the Today show http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/07/348617.aspx

It has a close up photo of her face . . . She is 23????????
Also the article mentions that standing was one thing . .. however when she sat she showed a bit much to the audience.
I have a feeling that the tank top neckline was also a bit lower prior to adjustment.
Honestly if a passenger on the flight complained . . .then the airline was attempting to provide Customer Service to that person . . .could have been someones Religious beliefs . . .could have been too many teen age boys and the chaperone complained . . .yes, it could have been a jealous female . . .all kinds of options.
So now this all becomes about how mean the airline is . . .mostly because they are chosing to not join in on the media circus. Knowing what I know about Southwest . . . I have a strong feeling that their were complaints made and that was when they got involved.

[Selena]

What kind of appointment was she going to that she felt a miniskirt and tanktop was appropriate?

A Hooter's meeting?? *rotfl*

[RaevynCait]

What kind of appointment was she going to that she felt a miniskirt and tanktop was appropriate?



Actually, it was a doctor's appointment... I'm not going to get into why she's flying out of state for a doctor's appointment (maybe it's her home state and she goes away to college or whatever). I will say, however, that IMHO, the outfit is not particularly a "going to the doctor's" outfit either, but silly me, I try to dress in such a manner that nobody's going to get a shot of my goods when I sit down, and if I'm going to the gyno to have the goods examined, I'm only showing them to the dr. & nurse, not the rest of the waiting room, thank you.

[Selena]

Okay, I've been able to watch part of Matt's interview-- thanks for the link, Em-- the streaming sucks on this end, so I've only been able to watch less than 2 minutes of the damned thing in 15 minutes... but alas, her skirt IS too short for sitting... even when she sat down (at about 1min30) on the Today show, you could see her panties. I still think the airline kicking her off the flight was overreacting.

[Bonnie Strangeways]

k, now I'm confused, because according to the orginal aticle, she was kicked off, but the Today article that Emrld posted states that she was allowed to continue the flight but had to cover up.

SO, if the latter is the case...then the airline has no fault other than they attempted to enforce the rules outlined in the carraige contract that Lady Sarah posted, and the passenger is a drama queen who's attempting to look for her 5 seconds of infamy.

She *didn't* lose her seat, (if the latter article is correct) she took a drubbing to her "pride" by being called out (more than likely by another passenger, I know had the hooker flashed one of my boys or my husband, I probably would have said something, but it would have been cheekily said at full volume.) and now she's looking for recompense that isn't deserved. She wasn't hurt by any action that the airline took. SHE choose to wear items that revealed her underclothes to passengers on the plane. The flight attendants (or whatever they prefer to be called these days) brought her to a remote locatation to ensure *her* safety and privacy while they told her of her fashion faux-pas, and then SHE choose to ignore their (IMHO) sage advice. At that time (again, according to the latest article) they allowed her BACK on the airplane, simply asking her to cover her nether regions like any NORMAL adult would do in public.

After all, we don't exactly allow nudist colonies to ride our friendly skies in their all-togethers, now do we? Although...now that I think about it....when they decide to allow that...I'm all for flying a hell of a lot more often. *cheeky grin*

[Buxom Wench]

Maybe the airlines should have a sign at the boarding gate, sort of like on carnival rides:



"Your skirt must be this long to enter the plane."

[WenchLadyKate]

The lawyer is right. If it had been Paris Hilton in the same outfit, she would have been shown to her seat and offered a drink. I've seen more revealing outfits on the red carpet.

I agree her skirt is way too short, and I really don't want to see some girl's underpants on my way to the bathroom, but still, with her legs crossed, it's fine.

[Isabelle Warwicke]

I don't understand why they had to pull her from the plane, try to make her go change her clothes and take another flight and lecture her. (She's dressed like 90% of the women her age in the common population, it's all you can buy in the young womens' departments.)

Had I been the flight attendant, I would have calmly and quietly spoken with her in her seat and handed her the blanket. That would have solved the entire problem right there.

Our society is entirely too alarmist sometimes. We create our own drama where none needs to be.

[Bonnie Strangeways]

K, let's put another spin on it. I'm not saying this is *fact*, only another potential scenario for why they pulled her off the plane:

Children fly as unaccompanied minors all the time. I know this, as my son just returned from visiting friends in Orlando last week. He's 10. He's a young, impressionable, HORMONAL (I stress this because hey, I'm just being honest here, and if the breeze blows right, the poor kid's sporting wood. *shakes head while laughing*) boy who is raised in a home enviroment where if he feels uncomfortable with a situation, he's supposed to alert an adult in a position of authority. When he's on an airplane alone....that would be a flight attendant.

Now, I'm just conjecturing here, but who's to say that this is not a valid scenario? Likely? Probably not....but there it is. It could also be that the flight attendant in question saw the flash, noted that perhaps there were minors around that were exposed to said flash, (or even adult passengers who were uncomfortable and took it upon him/herself to say something. Sorry, but in the same position, I'd have to say that I'd have done the same thing.

As both a parent and as an adult, I'm sorry, but in a normal social situation...you do not go flashing your pooty-poo at children...or even other adults, in public. I don't care if it's covered in silk or pink-cotton gramndma-panties...save it for the bedroom, or the titty-bar. Anyone wanna lay odds on a bet as to whether Miss Thang was wearing a thong or real panties? Just how much of a peep-show was everyone subjected to? Granted, we seem to have sunk to new lows as a moral-monitoring society, but I really don't see what the attendant did as wrong. Again, had the choice been on me, in the above circumstance, I would have made the same choices.

And as to why the attendant didn't just hand her the blanket in the first place, and just let the plane take off? K, she puts the blanket on her lap, the plane takes off, they get to cruising altitude and now all of the sudden, Miss Thang decides she's "too hot" and "it's not fair that *she* has to wear a blanket all the way through the trip." SO, she takes the blanket off, and the rest of the passengers and crew have to deal with her and her choices for the remainder of the flight. Either by dealing with the discomfort of her clothing choices (or lack thereof), or by the crew deciding to turn the plane around (as she disobeyed flight crew instructions) thereby causing everyone to be delayed or miss connections, appointments...whathaveyou. See where I'm going with this? I'd say that's why the attendant wanted her off the plane, and wanted her to either change, or take a later flight.

Just my .02

[Lis Elfwench]

OK, having actually watched the video clip with her sitting down, I now absolutely agree with the airlines. WAAAAY too short of a skirt to fly in...and even if she was sitting in a "ladylike manner with her legs crossed", she'd still be giving a peep show every time she crossed and uncrossed her legs - which, during a flight, she'd be doing a number of times, I'm sure. As for them not objecting to her outfit when she first boarded, well, the skirt looks okay when she's standing, so I'm sure they weren't aware of the potential problem until they got complaints.

[Holly]

I squirm at putting my head back on the headrest an airline flight.. imagining the dirt, grime, possible germs other people's dirty hair.. When i was a cheerleader i hated sitting on weird places or high traffic areas that might have some crazy germ situation because of the short skirts. Because i had to wear them as a sport, i hated wearing short skirts in other situations because of the whole bare ass on foreign territory situation... i hover on toilet seats.


Imagine planting your bare ass.. on that seat.. and thinking of all the other skanky asses that have been on that seat... (i ponder weather she sits on the seat in public bathrooms....same idea...and i ask why should she bother)

hmph.... GO ahead and wear those skirts, hunny.. and pick up some disease.. LOL


I thinks its questionable...the ethics of the situation... but the hygienics of the situation are seriously....eeeewww

[renren]

You have to wonder what they would do if a group of Wenches in garb boarded the plane?


Wouldn't it be fun to watch the reactions?*rotfl**rotfl**rotfl*

[Cyranno DeBoberac]

Is it at all possible that maybe her miniskirt was quite a bit more 'mini' before she adjusted it? Is it possible that maybe her tank top plunged quite a bit more before she tugged it up? Perhaps the photo doesn't accurately described what she really looked like pre-board?
Unless she was showing either nipple or bush, I'm not sure what business it would be of the airline employees'.

[Isabelle Warwicke]

I thought it interesting, after watching the actual interveiw, that she got back on a plane to return to school an one of the flight attendants on that plane complimented her. So the return flight, her outfit wasn't a problemo.

Also, if I were an employee of the original flight, I would have sent a woman to discuss the issue with her, not a man!

[Selena]

I squirm at putting my head back on the headrest an airline flight.. imagining the dirt, grime, possible germs other people's dirty hair.. When i was a cheerleader i hated sitting on weird places or high traffic areas that might have some crazy germ situation because of the short skirts. Because i had to wear them as a sport, i hated wearing short skirts in other situations because of the whole bare ass on foreign territory situation... i hover on toilet seats.


Imagine planting your bare ass.. on that seat.. and thinking of all the other skanky asses that have been on that seat... (i ponder weather she sits on the seat in public bathrooms....same idea...and i ask why should she bother)

hmph.... GO ahead and wear those skirts, hunny.. and pick up some disease.. LOL


I thinks its questionable...the ethics of the situation... but the hygienics of the situation are seriously....eeeewww

A bit judgmental, ya think. Just because she dresses in a manner that's provocative, doesn't mean she's a skank or a whore.

Hell, I've seen other people's children on planes skankier and filther than this gal; kids who you know don't wash their hands and are dirty little monkeys I wouldn't care to touch much less use the same seat they did.

[Buxom Wench]

A bit judgmental, ya think. Just because she dresses in a manner that's provocative, doesn't mean she's a skank or a whore....

I have to agree. After all, I have a 25 year old daughter who dresses very similar when not at work.

[Margaret]

Holly was not calling that particular woman a skank or a hoe.

She said she has issues with the idea of the cleanliness or lack thereof in public places in general. The only time she mentions the woman in the article was to say:
hmph.... GO ahead and wear those skirts, hunny.. and pick up some disease.. LOL

Note - she did not say one thing about the woman and what diseases she may or may not have just the diseases that may be around her. Let's not jump all over Holly for something she did not say.

[Selena]

Oh, and btw, SWA really has no room to talk in regards to "sexy" dress code---

[Lis Elfwench]

Oh, and btw, SWA really has no room to talk in regards to "sexy" dress code---

Totally different, thing, IMHO. Those hot pants may be short, but there isn't going to be any panty flashing done wearing those...which was my major issue with this whole thing. I mean, if she can't avoid flashing the camera while aware she's being observed, it makes ya wonder just how careless she was while on the plane!

[Cyranno DeBoberac]

A couple of comments I saw on this topic on another forum that might be insightful and/or amusing:

Flying Southworst into Tuscon? That's Air Geriatric. She was probably the only person under age 70 on the flight. Get a couple of of prude old crones on the plane who've got nothing better to do than bitch bitch bitch because they're pissed that they didn't do anything fun when they were young. Well, you get the picture.

I think the customer service supervisor, "Keith", that escorted her off the plane was just jealous that she looked better in a skirt and heels than he did.

:-)

[Dizz]

I think dress code should be whatever is legal to wear in public. I believe that it is generally not legal to show the bottom part of your underwear. ie. flashing. The tank top is fine, and is standard dress out here in Tucson. I have several, but most are cut higher than that. Not by much though, the girls need to breath in the heat.

[Cyranno DeBoberac]

I think dress code should be whatever is legal to wear in public.
In New York State, it's legal for women to be topless in public
, so I'm right with you there! ::yay:: :-)


I believe that it is generally not legal to show the bottom part of your underwear. ie. flashing.

Considering that a lot of underwear is virtually indistinguishable from bikini bottoms, I imagine that news of these laws would come as quite the shock to all the beach-goers out there. :wink:


Provided that you're actually wearing underwear, and it's opaque, it's not illegal per se to show what's under your skirt.





just to be precise.... the NY courts ruled that it can not be illegal for women to be topless in any venue where it is not illegal for a man to be topless. This ruling does not invalidate the prohibition against lewd conduct in public, but simply being topless in and of itself can not be considered lewd conduct. So to sum up, walking through Times Square topless is legal; walking through Times Square topless and giving wubbies to tourists is not.

[Selena]

In New York State, it's legal for women to be topless in public
, so I'm right with you there! ::yay:: :-)

Same thing in Austin... same thing. City ordinance sez it's a-okay. Yuppers. :toocool:

[Buxom Wench]

Same thing in Austin... same thing. City ordinance sez it's a-okay. Yuppers. :toocool:

So I'm good to go in both states. ::whistle::

[MaidMarion]

OK, time to chime in.

This is the part of the original article that got to me most:

“Could a young woman board a flight to Tucson today wearing a bikini top?
Angelique, the agent who took my call, assured me that a young woman could.
“We don't have a problem with it if she's covered up in all the right spots,” she said. “We don't have a dress code.””

A few years back, when they started coming out with all these new security rules at air ports, a radio host made a joke about how we should all just show up at security check point in a speedo. Since that’s about the only thing that’s allowed.

One time I got called over because my ticket was “randomly” selected for extra search I was wearing short shorts and a fitted baby doll style shirt. the security woman who came to pat me down joked that I didn’t have anything to hide.


Bottom line here. We will never make everyone happy. Everything, with offend SOMEONE.

For the most part, people need to learn to tolerate each other. Personally, I’m a firm believer in “chain mail is a privilege not a right” philosophy. I’ve love to pass a law that bans woman who’s belly sticks out farther than her boobs from wearing midriff tops. But I can’t do that. If a person is comfortable with their body and it ok with exposing it within the line of legality, than I just need to find something else to look at.

Now there are exceptions to that.

If you’re a parent, and you take your child to a church outing, then you have the reasonable expectation to not have woman with their cleavage hanging out.

If you want a nice quiet dinner, and you go to a fancy restaurant, and the next table over won’t tone it down, then you have the right to complain. But if you choose to go to a casual place with a sports game on a big screen, then you can’t whine about the next table cheering the game on.

People from all walks of life fly for many different reasons. You're not always going to get along with your row mates. A few flights back there was a guy was wearing a t-shirt that had a pic of KKK robed guys and said “the original boys in the hood”

As much as that appalled me, I will say to the end of time that this guy has every right to his believes and to express them. I’m not a parent, so I don’t Know how I would have reacted if I had a child with me.

I remember when I was a young kid, I was watching “Fried Green Tomatoes” during the scene were the klan was beating the cook, I asked my mom “why?” she asked “why what?” I pointed to the screen and simply said “them”.

My mom had to think for a minute, eventually, she told me “people back then were confused”

People cannot keep themselves sheltered from everything they don’t like unless they live in a bubble. Personally, I’d rather be exposed to too much leg or cleavage then other things.

If you’re a prude parent (I don’t mean that as a bad thing) and your really don’t want your child to see a woman’s cleavage, I’m sorry, you just don’t have the right to tell someone else, let alone someone who don’t even know, what is decent.

Just my opinion, please don't throw things.

*HUGS*

K.J.

[Gemdrite]

If you’re a prude parent (I don’t mean that as a bad thing) and your really don’t want your child to see a woman’s cleavage, I’m sorry, you just don’t have the right to tell someone else, let alone someone who don’t even know, what is decent.

Just my opinion, please don't throw things.

*HUGS*

K.J.
Sorry, I must disagree. Look at the flip side of what you said. My children and I have a right to walk around without being exposed to someone else's t and a. I have a right to teach my children about anatomy without someone walking around showing it off. Having a low neckline is one thing; having a neckline so low it leaves absolutely nothing to the imagination is completely different. It's called a *neckline* for a reason. Using your style of example, if I went to a beach, I would expect to see people with barely there clothing. When I am on a flight, I have a reasonable expectation that I am not going to see people lacking coverage. Whatever happened to just plain decency? Did it buy a ticket and go on vacation with personal responsibility? :-D

[MaidMarion]

Whatever happened to just plain decency? Did it buy a ticket and go on vacation with personal responsibility? :-D

OK, that line just plain rocks!

I completely understand where you’re coming from. I guess my point is that everyone seems to have a different idea of what’s “decent”.

Anyone who knows me knows I’m a skimpy dresser, though I whole heartedly believe my revealing outfits are in good taste, there are folks out there that disagree.

As others here have pointed out, what’s the style today would have been considered inappropriate 15 years ago. I’m not saying “but everyone else wears it” but it is how it is. I remember having a very hard time this time of year finding cloths that met my school’s dress code.

Bottom line, the law states what is legally considered “Indecent Exposure” as “exposure of the genitals and/or the female breast in a public place” and may in some states require evidence of intent to shock, arouse or offend other persons. (taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indecent_exposure)

That being said, it would be OK to board the plane in a bikini.

I know it’s a thin line between having the right to walk around without being exposed to someone else's T & A, and the right for one to walk around in what they feel comfortable in.

You’re right, an air plane is not a beach, but it’s not a five star restaurant worthy or a dress code either.

God forbid wanting to be somewhat comfortable in a flight. If you’re in couch, that isn’t going to happen anyway.

*HUGS*

K.J.

[Bonnie Strangeways]

Sorry MaidMarion, I still stand firm on my statement that it is not "ok" by anyone's definition to flash your (generic terminology, not directed at anyone specific) *underwear* (or lack thereof) at the public. We are not discussing a pair of bikini bottoms, the twat wasn't wearing bikini bottoms...she was wearing...at least we all hope she was wearing (...)a pair of u.n.d.e.r.w.e.a.r. Believe it or not, they're actually called that for a reason; I know, it sounds strange. (yes, that was sarcasm.*wink*) They go under the clothes, and are meant to stay there. (except when undressing for S.O.s, Husbands...or customers...but I digress, and that's a whole 'nuther can of worms. *lol*) I'm not trying to be a prude, just excersising a little common sense. Yes, swimwear is acceptable for public consumption, but again, that's not whhat the issue is in this case, and again, the video paints quite the vivid tale. (Oh damn, now there's an open door....)

Look, I'm all for wearing rockin' clothes, hell, my closet's a shrine to them. I try and coax my hubby into taking me clubbing at least once a month, if not more. You bet your sweet fannies when I'm out there, I'm sporting an outfit that's as barely-there if not less so that what Miss Hooter was wearing. However, the caveat is...*where* I wear those clothes, the people I am surrounded by are ALSO clothed the same, and there is no one who's morals would be offended, and there are certainly no children present.

[Lady Laurel]

[QUOTE]Look, I'm all for wearing rockin' clothes, hell, my closet's a shrine to them. I try and coax my hubby into taking me clubbing at least once a month, if not more. You bet your sweet fannies when I'm out there, I'm sporting an outfit that's as barely-there if not less so that what Miss Hooter was wearing. However, the caveat is...*where* I wear those clothes, the people I am surrounded by are ALSO clothed the same, and there is no one who's morals would be offended, and there are certainly no children present[QUOTE]

Bonnie you Rock!! I totally agree its called common decency in my book.

[WenchLadyKate]

I'm just gonna say, why would someone WANT to wear something like that on a plane. Her bare legs were touching the seat. People do disgusting things in public and who knows what kind of bacteria and disgustingness are on those seats. I wanna fly in a tyvek suit, thankyouverramuch.

[Selena]

Her bare legs were touching the seat?

Chances are that in reality, the armrests, the table, the window curtain, the "air" vent, the "call button" and the headrests are SO much more filled with that icky bacteria yall speak of rather than that meaningless seat cushion... which is also touched by many hands which touch the armrests, the table, the window curtain....

you get mypoint?

[Gemdrite]

Her bare legs were touching the seat?

Chances are that in reality, the armrests, the table, the window curtain, the "air" vent, the "call button" and the headrests are SO much more filled with that icky bacteria yall speak of rather than that meaningless seat cushion... which is also touched by many hands which touch the armrests, the table, the window curtain....

you get mypoint?
Yes, but how often does someone think to rub sanitizer on their legs...or other parts....;-)

[Lis Elfwench]

Her bare legs were touching the seat?

Chances are that in reality, the armrests, the table, the window curtain, the "air" vent, the "call button" and the headrests are SO much more filled with that icky bacteria yall speak of rather than that meaningless seat cushion... which is also touched by many hands which touch the armrests, the table, the window curtain....

you get mypoint?

Working in a public library, you would not believe the various bodily fluids that end up on our chairs. Anything from blood, to urine, to way way worse. I tell ya, even *after* we've had those chairs cleaned, none of the staff wants to sit there, because we've seen the 'before' with our own eyes. I think of that, every time I sit in a public place, I wonder...how recently and how well were those chairs cleaned???? :blech: At least when I touch surfaces with my hands, I can wash after, or use hand sanitizer...not so much an option if I'm sitting on those surfaces half-dressed.

[Buxom Wench]

OK, I have to get on a plane in about 24 hours.

I feel like I need to wear a hazmat suit now. :yuck:

[Selena]

OK, I have to get on a plane in about 24 hours.

I feel like I need to wear a hazmat suit now. :yuck:

*rotfl* That's right!!! WooHooo!!! Texas bound!

[Buxom Wench]

*rotfl* That's right!!! WooHooo!!! Texas bound!

It's very early morning so....




SQUEEEEEE!

[Holly]

Her bare legs were touching the seat?

Chances are that in reality, the armrests, the table, the window curtain, the "air" vent, the "call button" and the headrests are SO much more filled with that icky bacteria yall speak of rather than that meaningless seat cushion... which is also touched by many hands which touch the armrests, the table, the window curtain....

you get mypoint?

yes but i dont stick my butt in a sink (let alone a tiny small one in an airplane) and try to wash it.

I also wonder how many odd assortments of fluids are left on the seat... and what not..


boy i sound like a germaphobe.. LOL


Also thanks Mags for explaining what i was saying ... i was away from the boards doing stuff for school.... and you are right i wasn't calling HER anything... but there are some plausible consequences for picking something up in clothes like that... that is not tall dark and handsome...more like itchy, red,and rashy...

Again.. i explained i was a cheerleader in those short skirts forced to sit on benches, bus seats and what not... so i was there..at a much younger ... firmer... skinnier time...

I always FREEZE in airports... i wonder how the heck she stayed warm...

[Selena]

UPDATE--

"Legs in the air" *rotfl**rotfl**rotfl*

I'm shocked SHOCKED I tell ya.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SUJ4A00&show_article=1

[Lis Elfwench]

*rotfl*

Right there with ya...SHOCKED!

[Buxom Wench]

UPDATE--

"Legs in the air" *rotfl**rotfl**rotfl*

I'm shocked SHOCKED I tell ya.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SUJ4A00&show_article=1

:stunned:

Oh good gracious!

I'm.....I'm.....oh goodness.....oh dear!

*please note heavy sarcasm

[Emrld]

I am shocked that it took this long to be made public knowledge . . . .
and she is right - the photo spread shouldn't effect her future career choice. However her since of entitlement, taste, and brain ability will.

[Gellis Indigo]

I am shocked that it took this long to be made public knowledge . . . .
and she is right - the photo spread shouldn't effect her future career choice. However her since of entitlement, taste, and brain ability will.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. Big Brother is watching (http://wench.org/forums/showthread.php?p=230985#post230985).