Is it just winter cabin fever....

[Buxom Wench]

or have a bunch of people here on the boards just walked into the "Miserable Room"?

I swear, on no less than 3 different threads, people have resorted to childish behavior and name calling and cat fighting and just being absolutely ridiculous.

People, we're all adults here. Can we just agree to disagree without all the BS?!?!

OY!


I'll get off my rant box now.

[Bonnie Strangeways]

It seems to always happen around elections..... cyclical and all that. I like to think of it as a four-year PMS cycle.

[Buxom Wench]

and yet another reason I do not discuss politics. :sigh:

[renren]

and yet another reason I do not discuss politics. :sigh:

Ditto!

[Jamianne]

and yet another reason I do not discuss politics. :sigh:

Me neither.

*passes out drinks of chioce to everyone and settles in to watch more Law and Order while the Piranah naps*

[Andreadoria]

and yet another reason I do not discuss politics. :sigh:


I agree and religion too.

[Pathos]

Oh for christ sakes would you guys quit yer bitching?!?!?

You're all just a bunch of whiny old ninnies.



























he he

[FairieTink]

or have a bunch of people here on the boards just walked into the "Miserable Room"?

I swear, on no less than 3 different threads, people have resorted to childish behavior and name calling and cat fighting and just being absolutely ridiculous.

People, we're all adults here. Can we just agree to disagree without all the BS?!?!

OY!


I'll get off my rant box now.


F**k you we have not


*rotfl*

[Lady Sarah]

at the risk of getting blown up, I don't think it's been childish and juvenile at all. It's been relatively tame compared to some spats I've seen here.

it's part and parcel to the political discussion. there is always going to be mud-slinging. you either get along with it or you get away from it.

Oh, and Pathos... I've got a stinky tuna with your name on it.

[Pathos]

Oh, and Pathos... I've got a stinky tuna
My desire to have sex with you has just taken a serious dive.

*rotfl*

[Ysobelle]

My desire to have sex with you has just taken a serious dive.

*rotfl*



Oh, my G-d! He's DEAD!

[Lady Sarah]

My desire to have sex with you has just taken a serious dive.

*rotfl*

dude.

totally uncalled for. and totally unimpressed. :unamused:

[Phoenix McHeit]

Frankly, I think the whole Wench Board has gotten a little too PC, huggy, omg-you-hurt-my-feelings, clique-ish anyway.

Geez people - yes we *are* adults here - capable of handling our own disagreements & issues without being chastised for the way in which we do so.

If you're being an ass - I'm going to call you on it. If I'm being an ass... I expect the same thing. Big Girl Panties, people.

From our 'charter':

What We are Are:
We are a group of strong, independent women (and a few men).
We are entitled to nothing but complete happiness.
We are mothers, daughters, married, single, gay, straight, students, teachers, workers, entrepreneurs and homemakers.
We are proud of our bodies, our minds and our hearts.
We carry ourselves with dignity and pride and take responsibility for our own actions.
We learn from our pasts and shape our futures.
We are fighters and lovers, nurturers and hunters.
We are ready. What We Are NOT:
We are not perfect, but we learn and teach from our mistakes, and the mistakes of others.
We are not PC. We are not threatened. We are unafraid to stand firm in our judgments.
We are not threatened by those who intend to intimidate us, and we will *not* be subdued.
We are not a political organization although we do have some very strong, group opinions on domestic abuse and the equality of women.
We are not a group of Femi-Nazis. We are not against men in any way; in fact, there are male members in the wench guild.
We are not limited to Renaissance Faires, although that is where many of our member first heard of the Guild.
We are not content to sit idly by and watch as ourselves and our sisters are being stifled, ignored, abused, abandoned, raped, murdered, stereotyped or mistreated in any other way, whether physically, mentally, emotionally or socially.
We are not afraid.

[Ysobelle]

What, the rebates thread? It was a debate, until, from what I can gather, one particula party started slinging neocon shit. Some folks can debate, some just panic.

Or maybe I'm just more sanguine cos I know how to use my "Ignore" button."

Anyway, I'm not sure there's NOT a certain amount of cabin fever going on. I know the last week or so here has been one I'd not soon repeat. Hey, at least you have a pretty cabin!

[Lady Sarah]

Frankly, I think the whole Wench Board has gotten a little too PC, huggy, omg-you-hurt-my-feelings, clique-ish anyway.

Geez people - yes we *are* adults here - capable of handling our own disagreements & issues without being chastised for the way in which we do so.

If you're being an ass - I'm going to call you on it. If I'm being an ass... I expect the same thing. Big Girl Panties, people.

From our 'charter':
[/list]

Have I told you recently that I love you? :hearts:

[Buxom Wench]

Just for clarification, it was not JUST about politics.

It was the boards in general.

I'm not asking that we treat this place like a "Love In", I'm just asking for mutual respect.

If that comes across as "too PC, huggy, omg-you-hurt-my-feelings, clique-ish", oh well.

I hear enough bitching and fighting IRL that I don't really enjoy it when I come here lately.

Ah well, back to lurking.

[Ysobelle]

I dunno-- I'm actually enjoying the boards lately, for the most part. Some of the debates have been really good.

And how else would I get to throw halibut?!

[MaidenFaeSnow]

I've learned that the Ignore feature on these boards is a wonderful thing to use for those who bring unwanted negative energy to your life. Never have to see those unwanted posts again that serve up bad mojo. Why let stuff bother you when you don't have to, (I think recent events here in several threads warrented use of this feature by a few people ;-))...just keep swimming, just keep swimming...

[Lady Anisette]

That's good. Let's get snippy in a thread about how it has gotten too snippy in some of the other threads. :roll:

I'm sorry, but good debate and intelligent discourse is one thing. It is entirely different when it degrades to mud slinging, name calling, and unpleasantness. This is a far cry from standing firm in our judgements or taking responsibility for our actions. It doesn't have to be a love-fest but it doesn't have to be classless either.

[Ravin' Raven]

If you're being an ass - I'm going to call you on it. If I'm being an ass... I expect the same thing. Big Girl Panties, people.

From our 'charter':


I Agree with Sawah....::smoochy:

And please don't go away Buxie. I was quite tempted myself recently to do the same thing and still consider it from time to time. But I have learned, and here comes the un-PC part of me - that there are just a few people in this group as in any other that have to have the last word and be right on everything...they love to engage in verbal masturbation because they do not have the intelligence to engage in intellectual growth by learning what is being offered to them on silver platters by others with maybe a little more information and insight. But I also enjoy the truely insightful and intelligent folks who contribute so, like Ysobelle I try my best to use my "ignore" button which, I admit, can be difficult for me.

But I have found that as a group we are smart and classy and a little bit sassy - with a few rotten tomatoes in the basket to stink it up a bit...

Alright All - Have At!!! My big girl panties are already pulled up!

[Phoenix McHeit]

I'm not asking that we treat this place like a "Love In",

Never said you asked for that. Just my observation that's what it has become, in some cases.

I hear enough bitching and fighting IRL that I don't really enjoy it when I come here lately.

Ah well, back to lurking.

Well, sorry you feel the need to lurk. I feel, why should I hold in what I think, when so many others here don't? I'm really not trying to be nasty.

BUT, I'm sick of having to sugar-coat or rephrase my words, just in case some feelings get the teensiest bit squished. Cuz gawd knows, then I'll have 5 people jumping on me for 'being mean to poor little So & so.'

Do I say everything correctly, the first time? No, I don't. And I've apologized in the past when I've gotten personal. But lets face it - I'm The Phoenix... Fire... Passion. I have strong feelings, and sometimes they just blurt out.

But I'd rather say things I feel... than hide from the merest possibility of strife.

[Phoenix McHeit]

That's good. Let's get snippy in a thread about how it has gotten too snippy in some of the other threads. :roll:


I see. Some people are allowed to complain about things, but others aren't. Thanks for clarifying, I get it now.

[Ysobelle]

Can I just throw in that I'm already depressed enough about the size of my underwear?

Big girl panties, indeed.

[Bonnie Strangeways]

I'm with you Phee (just a little shorter), I didn't come with a filter on my mouth or brain at birth....so what comes out, there it is. I don't believe in pussy-footing around things either. If your big-girl/man enough to post something here that might incite a negative comment, then you damn well better be big enough to take the feedback.

I don't force anyone to be nasty or crude, but I ask that people please don't try to make me nice... it's been tried before, and with obvious failure.

[Phoenix McHeit]

Can I just throw in that I'm already depressed enough about the size of my underwear?

Big girl panties, indeed.

:snarf: ok, I deserved that.

Adult-britches. Better?

[Ravin' Raven]

:snarf: ok, I deserved that.

Adult-britches. Better?


The kind I can tinkle in when I laugh too hard????

[RichardMacHugely]

Please, can we all just get back to discussing Bonnie's panties. . . .

[MaidenFaeSnow]

Please, can we all just get back to discussing Bonnie's panties. . . .

(I thought it was Yso's panties...hmmm...)

[Lady Sarah]

Can I just throw in that I'm already depressed enough about the size of my underwear?

Big girl panties, indeed.

Let's see.... Grown Up Woman panties just doesn't have the same ring to it. :wink:

We could aim for Adult Panties... but then we'd have pervies like Bob and Pathos thinking the wrong thing...

Granny Panties is just wrong. Period.

I'm thinking I should shut up now. ::whistle::

[Ysobelle]

Please, can we all just get back to discussing Bonnie's panties. . . .

Oh, so mine are too big a topic!?

See? No WONDER I get...crotchety!

[Pathos]

but then we'd have pervies like Bob and Pathos thinking the wrong thing...
And you love us for it.

8-)

[Lady Sarah]

Oh, so mine are too big a topic!?

See? No WONDER I get...crotchety!

No!! Not too big!

Just... so awe inspiring that we dare not desecrate the goodness that is..

definitely shutting up now.

[Phoenix McHeit]

Oh, so mine are too big a topic!?

See? No WONDER I get...crotchety!

:bow:

Hey Sawah - how's that foot taste?

[Lady Sarah]

And you love us for it.

8-)

it depends on how desperate I am at the time. :kiss:

[Buxom Wench]

Without anyone jumping all over my shit, let me see if I have this correct.

If I'm compassionate, I'm considered touchy-feely-snuggles-gooey.

If I state something I see as being disrespectful, I'm a bitch.

And if I try for middle ground on issues, I'm told I can't make up my mind.

Hmm...makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... NOT.

[Pathos]

Now I'm imagining Nikki in her undies.

Not that that's much of a stretch.

8-)

[Andreadoria]

Just my 2 cents here

I am just a person that doesn't discuss politics or religion. It tends to cause people not to talk to each other any more.

As for if I screw up and I am a horrible speller (I belong in spellers anomious) I want to be called on it. Hell if I don't like the response I'll say so.

Don't like to much lovely dovey.

[MaidenFaeSnow]

COUGHHACK--

So...people have been getting nasty around here lately eh?

[Lady Sarah]

As for if I screw up and I am a horrible speller (I belong in spellers anomious) I want to be called on it. Hell if I don't like the response I'll say so.

Y'know, spelling is the one thing I have forced myself to stop calling people on - unless it's just so horrid that it needs correcting. Some people can't help the spelling errors.

[Phoenix McHeit]

Without anyone jumping all over my shit, let me see if I have this correct.

If I'm compassionate, I'm considered touchy-feely-snuggles-gooey.

If I state something I see as being disrespectful, I'm a bitch.

And if I try for middle ground on issues, I'm told I can't make up my mind.

Hmm...makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... NOT.

Well, I'm not sure where ya got all that... but I can't go into it, for fear of 'jumping all over your shit'.

Pathos - how do you know Nikki wears stretch undies?

[Lady Sarah]

COUGHHACK--

So...people have been getting nasty around here lately eh?

Nah. It comes and goes in cycles. Always has, always will. Remember the bruhaha that happened when you and I started talking in PM years ago?

Yeah, nastiness always happens here. The key ingredient to the recipe, however, is being able to accept that we're not all going to get along with one another, that we're not all going to be friends and remembering that, yeah, we're all allowed to express ourselves.

Sometimes I think we forget that.

[Lady Sarah]

:bow:

Hey Sawah - how's that foot taste?

like mushrooms.

[Phoenix McHeit]

like mushrooms.

Really? COOL! Lemme know if ya start seeing flowers growing out of the walls.

[Andreadoria]

Y'know, spelling is the one thing I have forced myself to stop calling people on - unless it's just so horrid that it needs correcting. Some people can't help the spelling errors.

I have been a phonetic speller my whole life.

In elementary school the teachers just gave up..sad thing is I can find the word in the dictionary with no problem

[Pathos]

Pathos - how do you know Nikki wears stretch undies?
The only time they stretched was when I tried to put them on once.

8-)

[MaidenFaeSnow]

Nah. It comes and goes in cycles. Always has, always will. Remember the bruhaha that happened when you and I started talking in PM years ago?

Yeah, nastiness always happens here. The key ingredient to the recipe, however, is being able to accept that we're not all going to get along with one another, that we're not all going to be friends and remembering that, yeah, we're all allowed to express ourselves.

Sometimes I think we forget that.

Yeah, I remember that, and one thing that I really appreciate is that we are able to work it out and get over/past it and not let the speedbumps dictate who we really are. I accept that sometimes the nasty happens, it just does, but if you can accept it and address it then move on from it we have a way of moving on together to another topic. If someone has gotten sorta nasty, look at the point they were trying to make, not the fact that it came out wrong and address the point instead of feeding the fire. Know that we are a group of people who do care about one another and we all have bad moments.

[Lady Sarah]

Really? COOL! Lemme know if ya start seeing flowers growing out of the walls.

don't know about flowers on the walls, but there's a few coffee cups steaming on the kitchen floor...

[Lady Sarah]

I have been a phonetic speller my whole life.

In elementary school the teachers just gave up..sad thing is I can find the word in the dictionary with no problem

you sound like my mom. she's a phonetic speller, it's how they taught her in school.

[Phoenix McHeit]

Well said, MFS!

[Lady Sarah]

If someone has gotten sorta nasty, look at the point they were trying to make, not the fact that it came out wrong and address the point instead of feeding the fire. Know that we are a group of people who do care about one another and we all have bad moments.

Exactly - and this goes hand in hand with what Phee and Bonnie are saying. Just because we have bad moments and get snotty with one another, it doens't mean that we have to have a "Posting Monitor" tell us we're getting snotty. Things will usually die down on their own, unless it's just gotten personal in the original fight.

I think what both were trying to say is that it happens. We know it happens. But if you make a public call about it and express your opinion on it, be prepared for others to express their opinion about your opinion. It's not meant for you to feel bad about posting, but maybe to make you think about what you said and why you said it. That's how I took it, at least. YMMV.

[Lady Anisette]

I see. Some people are allowed to complain about things, but others aren't. Thanks for clarifying, I get it now.

Oh, please. I merely made a comment. I said nothing about complaining or the censorship thereof. I just think it is ironic that a thread about the strife, for lack of a better word, in a few threads on the board led people to immediately defend the right to state one's own opinion.

I don't think that is why Bux brought the topic up. She was merely making a comment about it. Discussion optional. But let's face it, some of these threads have degraded to a new low standard of mud slinging. It is uncalled for....

Not wanting to sugarcoat things or pussy-footing don't fall into this category. I, for one, do not have a filter on my brain-to-mouth function but I don't lower myself to the nasties either. I have never seen any of the individuals responding to this thread lower themselves. However, a few on this board do get ridiculous. Funny thing is.... those individuals aren't partaking in this discussion.

[Capt. Stamina]

No idea what anyone’s complaining about. As soon as I make a post on a political thread, I can feel the prejudice and hatred oozing onto the screen.

[Ysobelle]

Well, as one of the folks who most gets into the political and religious debates, I can only offer up my own guidelines for ANY group discussion:



Have an opinion going in, but be willing to admit you're not G-d and you don't know everything. You certainly don't have to accept everything someone else says, but at least take it out of the box and inspect it before you reject it.

If you want to use facts and figures, back them up from reputable sources, not fringe papers and websites that only tell you what you want to hear.

Sarcasm and irony are great spices to rhetoric, but when there's nothing underneath them you look like an idiot. Just because you can make a mean crack about someone doesn't mean you're smarter, or have a better grasp of the issues. It just means you debate like a third-grader.

If someone isn't debating on your level, and all they want to do is start a fight or muck-rake, ignore them. Debate with debaters, not the peanut gallery.

It's perfectly acceptable to add something to a discussion based solely on your emotional response to the issue. Just acknowledge that's what you're doing. Don't try to claim your feelings are more factual than the facts.

If someone with a vastly different opinion can discuss it with you with grace and respect, you owe it to them to respond in kind.

Don't overgeneralise your opponent. "You just feel that way cos you're a (insert group here)" makes you look like you're not interested in actual debate. Likewise, if someone throws something like "You (X)s are all the same! You all believe in (Y)!", feel free to laugh at them. Political parties and affiliations are basic places to start, but you have to get pretty far down into sub-sub-sub-groups before "you're all alike!" fits.

Admit that there are some people out there who have no interest in telling you why they don't agree. They just want you to be wrong. Ignore them. You can't win-- and why would you want to?

In an online discussion, remember that no one's actually going to come through your screen. The whole thing ends at your fingertips. Sometimes that's good, and sometimes it's bad, but that's the way it is.

Links to further information are always good. Links to action sites are even better!

You can reprimand someone for a thread-jack or you can just continue the conversation. Or you can do both, if it's funny. The former options usually the more effective, though.

And finally, never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and annoys the pig.

[Lady Anisette]

Geez..... I take the time to write a thoughtful response and we have moved on to Ysobelle's panties. Or is it Raven's? But what if the wench doesn't wear panties...... just asking. ::whistle::

[Phoenix McHeit]

Oh, please. I merely made a comment. I said nothing about complaining or the censorship thereof. I just think it is ironic that a thread about the strife, for lack of a better word, in a few threads on the board led people to immediately defend the right to state one's own opinion.



Cool, then. I apologize that I took it personally, but up until your original post, mine was the only post even remotely 'snippy'. Which would be why I believed your comment to be directed at me.

[Lady Sarah]

Geez..... I take the time to write a thoughtful response and we have moved on to Ysobelle's panties. Or is it Raven's? But what if the wench doesn't wear panties...... just asking. ::whistle::

I think you just became Bob and Pathos' best friend. *rotfl*

[MaidenFaeSnow]

Just for clarification, it was not JUST about politics.

It was the boards in general.

I'm not asking that we treat this place like a "Love In", I'm just asking for mutual respect.

If that comes across as "too PC, huggy, omg-you-hurt-my-feelings, clique-ish", oh well.

I hear enough bitching and fighting IRL that I don't really enjoy it when I come here lately.

Ah well, back to lurking.

It makes me immensely uncomfortable that you would be pushed to the point of feeling you need to just lurk. Bux, you are an important part of these boards. You have become an important person in so many lives here. Your voice is important and no one should easily shrug off what you have to say or how you feel. To do so is to go against what I have already pointed out, that we are a group who care about one another. You are voicing a concern and asking, whether in so many words or not, for us to care about it, not give you grief about it.

You know as well as I that we all have our voices. Some of us are strong and outspoken, others are more reserved. We certainly all have a right to say what we want and how we need to say it and I stand by what I said in my previous post. Though we may get nasty from time to time, if we keep in mind the kind of group we are and look closely at the points being made, perhaps there would be fewer actual arguments.

I'm sorry you've come to feel this way Bux and I hope that you won't disappear to lurking, I value your voice here.

[Phoenix McHeit]

Geez..... I take the time to write a thoughtful response and we have moved on to Ysobelle's panties. Or is it Raven's? But what if the wench doesn't wear panties...... just asking. ::whistle::

Then ... would she be a free-range wench?

[Lady Anisette]

Cool, then. I apologize that I took it personally, but up until your original post, mine was the only post even remotely 'snippy'. Which would be why I believed your comment to be directed at me.

Phe.... you have always stated your points of view in a truly classy way. I would never put you in the same category as the classless crew.

[ladyleggs]

Have I been in a coma lately? I have no idea what you guys are talking about. What have I missed?

[WenchLadyKate]

Have I been in a coma lately? I have no idea what you guys are talking about. What have I missed?

I'm with you.

My 2 cents though, and keep in mind that I have no idea what's gone down... Isn't a conversation more interesting when there's opposing views? I was always taught that mudslinging wasn't the way to make my point, and to just walk away when it gets there. I keep to that pretty well and have been remarkably un-affected by typical faire drama.

But life without any disagreements or conflict would just be boring. Like reading a book with no "situation". Snoozeville.

[Phoenix McHeit]

Me too, Kate. I think there's been some really good debate going on lately. Some of it has devolved into name-calling, mudslinging, shouting matches... but lots has been good honest debate.

Personally I like debate. I like having my thinking challenged. Cuz if I can't back it up, then its not that strong a point in the first place, is it?

[Lady Anisette]

Me too, Kate. I think there's been some really good debate going on lately. Some of it has devolved into name-calling, mudslinging, shouting matches... but lots has been good honest debate.

Personally I like debate. I like having my thinking challenged. Cuz if I can't back it up, then its not that strong a point in the first place, is it?

I also think the debating is good. It can be very stimulating. (down boys...) We were always encouraged to discuss things at the dinner table, even religion. Sometimes our dinners would last hours if the conversation was good.

Most of the threads here are like that. Then there are the few, the nasty and the ugly. I just leave those alone.

Then somehow we ended up discussing Yso's panties.

[Phoenix McHeit]

Then somehow we ended up discussing Yso's panties.

Always a fun topic... :-D ::runfore:::runfore:::runfore:

[Bonnie Strangeways]

Without anyone jumping all over my shit, let me see if I have this correct.

If I'm compassionate, I'm considered touchy-feely-snuggles-gooey.

If I state something I see as being disrespectful, I'm a bitch.

And if I try for middle ground on issues, I'm told I can't make up my mind.

Hmm...makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... NOT.

Ummm, gee, why are you so damned concerned about what other people (a good majority of whom you have never and probably will never meet) think about you or your opinions?

Sounds to me like you need to just grow a thicker skin (as it were) where posting on a public forum is concerned. You are not always going to be liked by everyone, nor are you always going to be the popular, center of the universe. Thems-the-breaks. Everyone ends up on the wrong side / unpopular side of the argument once or twice. You pick yourself up, stand fast to your opinions and march the hell on.

whatever.

[Ysobelle]

I
Then somehow we ended up discussing Yso's panties.



Yyyyyyeah...that's a new one on me, too.

[Bonnie Strangeways]

Exactly - and this goes hand in hand with what Phee and Bonnie are saying. Just because we have bad moments and get snotty with one another, it doens't mean that we have to have a "Posting Monitor" tell us we're getting snotty. Things will usually die down on their own, unless it's just gotten personal in the original fight.

I think what both were trying to say is that it happens. We know it happens. But if you make a public call about it and express your opinion on it, be prepared for others to express their opinion about your opinion. It's not meant for you to feel bad about posting, but maybe to make you think about what you said and why you said it. That's how I took it, at least. YMMV.

Perfectly said my sister. And MFS, well done as well.

[Phoenix McHeit]

Without anyone jumping all over my shit, let me see if I have this correct.

If I'm compassionate, I'm considered touchy-feely-snuggles-gooey.

If I state something I see as being disrespectful, I'm a bitch.

And if I try for middle ground on issues, I'm told I can't make up my mind.

Hmm...makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... NOT.

Now wait a second here - without 'jumping on your shit'... it isn't my (or anyone elses') responsibility to make you feel warm & fuzzy inside. That's up to you.

You can take what is said & learn from it, ignore it, or let it affect you negatively. That's totally your choice.

Remember Eleanor Roosevelt: No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.

[Pathos]

Then somehow we ended up discussing Yso's panties.
And that's bad because...?

8-)

[surlywench]

It seems to always happen around elections..... cyclical and all that. I like to think of it as a four-year PMS cycle.

rofl :)

[Margaret]

See, way back when I first started posting on the boards here, I had a pretty big "Please Like Me!!" need. That need almost stifled me posting at all because I did not want to look or say anything stupid or make anyone mad at me.

Then I decided that, sure I really did like some people based on what they said and that some people's opinions mattered to me, but for several people who did post - they didn't know me, I didn't know them and they would never have any real effect on my life. So, if I posted what I thought and what I ment, it just gave people an opportunity to meet the real me! A very liberating moment, I assure you.

I don't go out to purposely hurt someone's feelings, but sometimes I am bitchy, sometimes I am silly, sometimes I am sappy. But, at all times, it is sincere and me being me.

[Bonnie Strangeways]

I see nothing wrong with discussing Yso panties...or debating the benefits/drawbacks of a wench's decision to go commando (I can recommend this in most occasions...quite liberating. )






Oh look, a llama

[surlywench]

Can I just throw in that I'm already depressed enough about the size of my underwear?

Big girl panties, indeed.


wear thongs. there's waaaaay less fabric to be depressed about. :)

[Bonnie Strangeways]

See, way back when I first started posting on the boards here, I had a pretty big "Please Like Me!!" need. That need almost stifled me posting at all because I did not want to look or say anything stupid or make anyone mad at me.

Then I decided that, sure I really did like some people based on what they said and that some people's opinions mattered to me, but for several people who did post - they didn't know me, I didn't know them and they would never have any real effect on my life. So, if I posted what I thought and what I ment, it just gave people an opportunity to meet the real me! A very liberating moment, I assure you.

I don't go out to purposely hurt someone's feelings, but sometimes I am bitchy, sometimes I am silly, sometimes I am sappy. But, at all times, it is sincere and me being me.

As the great Popeye says.... " I am's what I am's"

[MaidenFaeSnow]

I see nothing wrong with discussing Yso panties...or debating the benefits/drawbacks of a wench's decision to go commando (I can recommend this in most occasions...quite liberating. )






Oh look, a llama


Commando...I just don't care for the way the seam of my pants feels...or did you mean just in skirts...:shhh:

[Ysobelle]

wear thongs. there's waaaaay less fabric to be depressed about. :)



YEAH! And WAY more ASS!

[Lady Anisette]

wear thongs. there's waaaaay less fabric to be depressed about. :)

Are you kidding? You have never seen this large, fat white ass in a thong. Mine is not a pretty sight. No sirree bob. It makes me more depressed because it looks even bigger..... *shudder* At least I can get pretty undies in my size....

[Margaret]

I see nothing wrong with discussing Yso panties...or debating the benefits/drawbacks of a wench's decision to go commando (I can recommend this in most occasions...quite liberating. )




Liberating yes. However, I cannot recommend it when you are wearing a skirt and it is winter in Michigan.

The updrafts alone will kill ya!!

[surlywench]

YEAH! And WAY more ASS!

uhm? sorry...are you *really* spending that much time looking at your butt in the mirror? i mean, usually...it's covered in other clothing, right?

[Phoenix McHeit]

But going commando means a lot less laundry.

I'm just sayin....;-)

[Gemdrite]

Me too, Kate. I think there's been some really good debate going on lately. Some of it has devolved into name-calling, mudslinging, shouting matches... but lots has been good honest debate.

Personally I like debate. I like having my thinking challenged. Cuz if I can't back it up, then its not that strong a point in the first place, is it?
Ya know, I agree completely with this particular post. But isn't that the point? All Bux said was that *some* of the threads have devolved into name-calling, mudslinging, shouting matches....just like you said. She didn't say they all did, just that it was starting to become common. And, I agree with her. It has. I am checking the forum, particularly the issues section, less and less because it just isn't worth the bad feelings and negativity. I work with children all day. I look to the forums for adult conversation, and SOME (not all) of the threads are delving into childish arguments. It just isn't pleasant. It isn't a matter of right or wrong, not having a filter, etc. It's just not pleasant to read. And not everything needs to be, but when the majority of it isn't, who wants to read any of it?

I say what is on my mind. So do most of the people here. It's nice for people to be honest. But there is also a thing called tact, and lately, it hasn't been around much. I think it really boils down to the golden rule. Treat others as you want to be treated. That includes speech.

[Lady Anisette]

Liberating yes. However, I cannot recommend it when you are wearing a skirt and it is winter in Michigan.

The updrafts alone will kill ya!!

Yeah. I went to the NErennies holiday feast and there were several handsome rogues in kilts. That night was also a bitterly cold one. Windy too. I never heard men squeal quite like that before.....

[Ysobelle]

Gem-- some of them have been more interesting than usual, though, I have to say. I usually enjoy them.

[Gemdrite]

Gem-- some of them have been more interesting than usual, though, I have to say. I usually enjoy them.
I agree, some have been. The blue-eyed one is an interesting thread (though, as far as I am concerned, we are *all* related somewhere down the line, lol, but that's a religious belief and we aren't going there.) I am just really getting sick of the politics and religion threads, because it seems we can't have a good debate without it falling apart. And many threads of late seem to be somehow becoming about politics or religion, even ones that don't start out that way. Honestly, it's tiring.

[Lady Anisette]

Ya know, I agree completely with this particular post. But isn't that the point? All Bux said was that *some* of the threads have devolved into name-calling, mudslinging, shouting matches....just like you said. She didn't say they all did, just that it was starting to become common. And, I agree with her. It has. I am checking the forum, particularly the issues section, less and less because it just isn't worth the bad feelings and negativity. I work with children all day. I look to the forums for adult conversation, and SOME (not all) of the threads are delving into childish arguments. It just isn't pleasant. It isn't a matter of right or wrong, not having a filter, etc. It's just not pleasant to read. And not everything needs to be, but when the majority of it isn't, who wants to read any of it?

I say what is on my mind. So do most of the people here. It's nice for people to be honest. But there is also a thing called tact, and lately, it hasn't been around much. I think it really boils down to the golden rule. Treat others as you want to be treated. That includes speech.

Exactly. Here is the original post....


.........on no less than 3 different threads, people have resorted to childish behavior and name calling and cat fighting and just being absolutely ridiculous.

People, we're all adults here. Can we just agree to disagree without all the BS?!?!


I don't think the original intent of the post was to say we should always be nice-nice. I think the meaning was about disagreeing in a more adult-like manner. Which means that we can disagree and have differing points of view. Just let's state it without being so........ low (for lack of a better word which escapes me right now).

And on that note it is time for a drink..... ;-)

[surlywench]

But going commando means a lot less laundry.

I'm just sayin....;-)

Really, it's just one less thing to have to locate in the morning...;)

[Selena]

Gem-- some of them have been more interesting than usual, though, I have to say. I usually enjoy them.

I agree. I usually enjoy them, too... and learn something from the main content of the thread, even if I'm not participating in the thread.

[Ysobelle]

I...er...filter the political threads, and I like 'em just fine. If people can debate intelligently, I don't care where they're coming from.

But hey, I don't click on the threads I don't want to read. I just go play with the dog instead.

[Phoenix McHeit]

But hey, I don't click on the threads I don't want to read. I just go play with the dog instead.

Power to the Clicky...err...People!::yay::

[Phoenix McHeit]

Really, it's just one less thing to have to locate in the morning...;)

Especially when you're in an unfamiliar locale... ;-)

[ladyleggs]

Yes, I have been going commando for years. you really need to let that thing air out... oops, did that come out.....lol

[Lady Anisette]

I'd rather read about panties or lack thereof than politics. Panties are so much more fun...... ::whistle::

[Ysobelle]

I missed a few.

Well, as one of the folks who most gets into the political and religious debates, I can only offer up my own guidelines for ANY group discussion:



Have an opinion going in, but be willing to admit you're not G-d and you don't know everything. You certainly don't have to accept everything someone else says, but at least take it out of the box and inspect it before you reject it.

If you want to use facts and figures, back them up from reputable sources, not fringe papers and websites that only tell you what you want to hear.

Sarcasm and irony are great spices to rhetoric, but when there's nothing underneath them you look like an idiot. Just because you can make a mean crack about someone doesn't mean you're smarter, or have a better grasp of the issues. It just means you debate like a third-grader.

If someone isn't debating on your level, and all they want to do is start a fight or muck-rake, ignore them. Debate with debaters, not the peanut gallery.

It's perfectly acceptable to add something to a discussion based solely on your emotional response to the issue. Just acknowledge that's what you're doing. Don't try to claim your feelings are more factual than the facts.

If someone with a vastly different opinion can discuss it with you with grace and respect, you owe it to them to respond in kind.

Don't overgeneralise your opponent. "You just feel that way cos you're a (insert group here)" makes you look like you're not interested in actual debate. Likewise, if someone throws something like "You (X)s are all the same! You all believe in (Y)!", feel free to laugh at them. Political parties and affiliations are basic places to start, but you have to get pretty far down into sub-sub-sub-groups before "you're all alike!" fits.

Admit that there are some people out there who have no interest in telling you why they don't agree. They just want you to be wrong. Ignore them. You can't win-- and why would you want to?

In an online discussion, remember that no one's actually going to come through your screen. The whole thing ends at your fingertips. Sometimes that's good, and sometimes it's bad, but that's the way it is.

Links to further information are always good. Links to action sites are even better!

You can reprimand someone for a thread-jack or you can just continue the conversation. Or you can do both, if it's funny. The former options usually the more effective, though.

On a multi-forum board, check your annoyance at the door. The person you may snipe at in the political forum may have some really good insights over in the cooking forum. And vice versa. Which is also another reason for being civil at all times. Also, no one who wasn't in the original forum knows or cares about what went on there. Usually.

Relatedly, very few people begin and end with the opinions they express in a discussion. Remember that while a co-debater may seem completely off in one area, you might actually like them if you met them in person. (And especially here, it's not outside the realm of possibility someone may indeed fly halfway across the country to your home town.) Act accordingly.

Spell-check. Proof your punctuation. Quote accurately. You can have the best point in the world, the most illuminating theory-- but if it looks like Bucky Katt wrote it, you're S.O.L.

And finally, never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and annoys the pig.

[Lady Anisette]

snip...... but if it looks like Bucky Katt wrote it, you're S.O.L.


I love Bucky Katt!

[Lady Sarah]

not sure I needed to hear about airing things out... that's a visual I'm not gonna get out of my head any time soon and I really, really, REALLY want it to go away!

Pathos, come stand over here in front of me and give me some form of eyecandy to filter out the bad images.

[Bonnie Strangeways]

But going commando means a lot less laundry.

I'm just sayin....;-)

Not to mention the easy access....



I'm just sayin' here....

[Phoenix McHeit]

Sarcasm and irony are great spices to rhetoric, but when there's nothing underneath them you look like an idiot. Just because you can make a mean crack about someone doesn't mean you're smarter, or have a better grasp of the issues. It just means you debate like a third-grader.

My favorite. Followed closely by
Spell-check. Proof your punctuation. Quote accurately. You can have the best point in the world, the most illuminating theory-- but if it looks like Bucky Katt wrote it, you're S.O.L.

[Lady Sarah]

It isn't a matter of right or wrong, not having a filter, etc. It's just not pleasant to read. And not everything needs to be, but when the majority of it isn't, who wants to read any of it?

I say what is on my mind. So do most of the people here. It's nice for people to be honest. But there is also a thing called tact, and lately, it hasn't been around much. I think it really boils down to the golden rule. Treat others as you want to be treated. That includes speech.

I agree with you. But you have to remember that by the same token, the Golden Rule you just put out there for us, none of us like to be called out like we're children. We don't need the tact police or the be nice reminders. If you (general you, not you specifically) want to be the polite police, be prepared for other people to do it to you - and be unpolite about it. So far, it's all been very polite in here and no mudslinging has happened.

Which is proof that we don't need a mother hen to tell us we're being bad children.

The original subject of the thread was that some of the threads are getting nasty. It happens. Nine times out of ten, it blows over and people move on because the ever-changing thread of the topic moves on.

[ladyleggs]

I just say, dont sweat the small stuff, life is too short.

[surlywench]

Especially when you're in an unfamiliar locale... ;-)

so true

[Ysobelle]

Which is proof that we don't need a mother hen to tell us we're being bad children.

I've been the monitor in the Issues forum for how long now? And I honestly don't remember the last time I had to close a thread. I think it may have been a few years ago.

It DOES all blow over.

[Bonnie Strangeways]

Really, it's just one less thing to have to locate in the morning...;)

And when you're having to leave in a hurry....









(ya know, those ever-so-rare...damn-I-drunk-way-too-much-oh-fuck-what-the-hell-it-that-thing-beside-me-chew-your-arm-off-coyote-ugly-)






mornings.....::runfore:

[Lady Sarah]

I've been the monitor in the Issues forum for how long now? And I honestly don't remember the last time I had to close a thread. I think it may have been a few years ago.

It DOES all blow over.

As long as I've been monitor for Local 13.

And given how heated our discussions get, THAT, Miss Nikki, is really saying something about how self-policing we are.

[Lady Anisette]

And when you're having to leave in a hurry....

(ya know, those ever-so-rare...damn-I-drunk-way-too-much-oh-fuck-what-the-hell-it-that-thing-beside-me-chew-your-arm-off-coyote-ugly-)

mornings.....::runfore:

*rotfl**rotfl**rotfl**rotfl*

Those are the mornings when you don't bother to even look for your panties. Just grab the important stuff and run..... ::runfore:::runfore:::runfore:::runfore:::runfore:

[Gellis Indigo]

Yeah, I remember that, and one thing that I really appreciate is that we are able to work it out and get over/past it and not let the speedbumps dictate who we really are. I accept that sometimes the nasty happens, it just does, but if you can accept it and address it then move on from it we have a way of moving on together to another topic. If someone has gotten sorta nasty, look at the point they were trying to make, not the fact that it came out wrong and address the point instead of feeding the fire. Know that we are a group of people who do care about one another and we all have bad moments.


I 100% completely agree with this. It would be nice if more people were willing/able to get over things, instead of dwelling on the past and antagonizing others in backhanded ways.

[Lady Sarah]

you mean.... THESE kinda mornings?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ladygypsy/gremlincat.jpg

[Phoenix McHeit]

YIKES!!!!

Warning, please? I almost hadda go get my 'Adult britches'

[Lady Sarah]

YIKES!!!!

Warning, please? I almost hadda go get my 'Adult britches'



Nope, no warning.

Because I am Fish Ninja. If I gave you warning, I'd lose all ability to sneak around. :toocool:

[Phoenix McHeit]

Fish Ninja? But but but... no halibut for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :ow:

Dat was Scary Kitty... not Fishie

[MaidenFaeSnow]

you mean.... THESE kinda mornings?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ladygypsy/gremlincat.jpg

Oh look at the kitty!

[Phoenix McHeit]

HOLY CRAP - NOT AGAIN!

Durn you quotey-people! Durn you to heck!!!

[rosefaeries]

Gees, I go to sleep in the hamster ball for a few hours and look what happens.




Sarah,(re photo), laughter and what I have is not a good mix. And I am rather tired of conversing with the toilet. I already know that it does not want to be a bathroom fixture when it grows up.

[Pathos]

Wow...this thread has doubled in the short time I was on the treadmill.

But I'm afraid I can't get past Nikki and Anisette talking about their asses in thongs.

Rawr!!!

8-)

[Gemdrite]

I agree with you. But you have to remember that by the same token, the Golden Rule you just put out there for us, none of us like to be called out like we're children. We don't need the tact police or the be nice reminders. If you (general you, not you specifically) want to be the polite police, be prepared for other people to do it to you - and be unpolite about it. So far, it's all been very polite in here and no mudslinging has happened.

Which is proof that we don't need a mother hen to tell us we're being bad children.

The original subject of the thread was that some of the threads are getting nasty. It happens. Nine times out of ten, it blows over and people move on because the ever-changing thread of the topic moves on.
And I agree with you. I didn't get a "stop-naughty-children" vibe, I got a "what's in the water" vibe. Maybe that's just how I read it though. I was kinda in a hurry.

[MaidenFaeSnow]

And I agree with you. I didn't get a "stop-naughty-children" vibe, I got a "what's in the water" vibe. Maybe that's just how I read it though. I was kinda in a hurry.

Your vibe was right Gem.

[Phoenix McHeit]

And I agree with you. I didn't get a "stop-naughty-children" vibe, I got a "what's in the water" vibe. Maybe that's just how I read it though. I was kinda in a hurry.
I suppose vibes are subjective. What one person shrugs off, another person can be insulted by.

The inherent issues with type vs speech. No voice tone.:anykey:

[Holly]

Ehh... now granted for the last week i was awol, due to a class schedule and a work schedule that is mind numbing, But...

For the last few weeks i have actually enjoyed the debates and what not, some of the people kept on target and the people on them have been polite. Granted i think i was debating with some board 'old folks' but all around i was impressed with the behavior.

Bux, i lurk alot because i get bored with threads that fall into running jokes or flames.... and since i cant check the boards at work, most of them devolve by the time i am home....but i agree with your sentiment, only i will state it this way:

The rest of the world tears us apart, puts us down, and gets in our way, as a group i think we should edify each other, making us all improve and change for the better with support and love. we are a sisterhood, yes that fights, but we should be each others allies not adversaries.

That statement is SO not a call for PC.
The political mud slinging will get worse, that is the point when i stop posting.

[Peaches O Malley]

And when you're having to leave in a hurry....







(ya know, those ever-so-rare...damn-I-drunk-way-too-much-oh-fuck-what-the-hell-it-that-thing-beside-me-chew-your-arm-off-coyote-ugly-)






mornings.....::runfore:
Hmmmm, when you find a pair of your knickers in the freezer??::whistle::

[surlywench]

Hmmmm, when you find a pair of your knickers in the freezer??::whistle::

omg. "fire-crotch"

that is all.

[Conall Crow]

Lady Sarah... Where did you find such a cute little one?? *rotfl*::couchlu:

you mean.... THESE kinda mornings?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ladygypsy/gremlincat.jpg

[Peaches O Malley]

omg. "fire-crotch"

that is all.
Bwahahahaha! *snort*

[Phoenix McHeit]

Conall....

It may take awhile

I may have to call in favors

But I WILL get you for that.
:shhh::shhh:













:smooch:

[Conall Crow]

:haloslip:::wicked::::bighug::Conall....

It may take awhile

I may have to call in favors

But I WILL get you for that.
:shhh::shhh:













:smooch:

[Mistress Morigianna]

ok clarification-comando is sans underwear.

if i wear my long bloomers as pants without a skirt and no underwear i am comando.....


but if you wear skirt and bloomers and wear nothing under it? or so the bloomies count as under wear here? (many i know wear panties under thier bloomers)

[MaidenFaeSnow]

ok clarification-comando is sans underwear.

if i wear my long bloomers as pants without a skirt and no underwear i am comando.....


but if you wear skirt and bloomers and wear nothing under it? or so the bloomies count as under wear here? (many i know wear panties under thier bloomers)

In my book...still commando.

[Bonnie Strangeways]

Hmmmm, when you find a pair of your knickers in the freezer??::whistle::


Whole new meaning to the subject of frigid now isn't it?????:moon: