Cops shoots man beating baby

[daBaroness]

This is unbelievably disturbing. I think had I been one of the witnesses, I'd have gotten my tire iron out of the car at beaten the cops to killing this sick SOB!

TURLOCK, Calif. - Police killed a 27-year-old man as he kicked, punched and stomped a toddler to death despite other people's attempts to stop him on a dark, country road, authorities said.

Investigators on Sunday were trying to establish the relationship between the suspect and the child they say he killed Saturday night. The Stanislaus County coroner said the boy appeared to be between 1 and 2 years old based on his size, according to county sheriff's deputy Royjindar Singh.

"It's been a long night of wondering, 'Why?' — not only for the officers and the passers-by who stopped and tried to help out, but for anyone. Why would somebody do this?" Singh said.

Singh said the coroner does not plan to confirm the identities of the suspect and victim until Monday. Because his injuries were so severe, the child will have to be identified through a blood or DNA test, he said.

The suspect had a child's car seat in the back of his four-door pickup truck. The truck caught the attention of an elderly couple at 10:13 p.m. Saturday because it was stopped in the two-lane road facing the wrong direction, Singh said.

As they got closer, the couple saw the man brutally beating the toddler behind his truck and throwing the child on the ground, according to Singh. Two or three other cars stopped, an unusual number to be passing through the remote area surrounded by a dairy, a cow pasture, a cornfield and a farmhouse, he said.

"What we got from witnesses is he was punching, slapping, kicking, stomping, shaking," Singh said. "They tried to intervene and get involved, but their efforts really didn't have an effect. The suspect was engaged in what he was doing. He just pushed them off and went back to it."

A sheriff's helicopter responding to emergency calls from the area landed in a cow pasture at 10:19 p.m. carrying a Modesto police officer who shot the man to death after he refused an order to stop beating the child, Singh said.

Paramedics tried to resuscitate the toddler, who was not breathing when they arrived. The boy was taken to a local hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

No children within the dead boy's age range have been reported kidnapped or missing in Stanislaus County, Singh said.

The incident happened on Bradbury Road about 10 miles west of Turlock, a city located about halfway between Sacramento and Fresno.

[Jayde]

I'd have been right behind you holding the spare tire irons for when the first one may break :censored:

[Pearl_Fox]

I realize that things like this do happen, and more frequently than most would like, but all that is going through me right now is complete shock. I would like to know how someone could do that to a child.

[Peaches O Malley]

Big snip......"What we got from witnesses is he was punching, slapping, kicking, stomping, shaking," Singh said. "They tried to intervene and get involved, but their efforts really didn't have an effect. The suspect was engaged in what he was doing. He just pushed them off and went back to it."

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Now if I had seen this, someone would have to pull ME off that fucker. I tend to get the red haze when I get really pissed. He is burning in a special place. ::yay::

In an answer to Pearl_fox...evil walks the earth in many forms.:unamused:

[SHpepperKat]

Shooting was too good for that SOB ! ! ! ! I'm sick to my stomach right now just reading this. I can't imagine what the people who stopped and tried to help the baby must be feeling. Now all I can hope is that they identify the little angel and can give him or her a proper burial.

[surlywench]

I realize that things like this do happen, and more frequently than most would like, but all that is going through me right now is complete shock. I would like to know how someone could do that to a child.

because they're mentally unbalanced. that's how.

and i hope that little one is resting with angels.

[Andreadoria]

Da B and Jayde I would be right there with you ....thank god that ass was terminated. That poor boy and passer byes, I hope they find out who that innocent was and I wonder what he might have done to the child's mother.

I am surprised...but not but not shocked...with all the beatings that have happened in NYC in the last few years. Not long ago a girl called NixMary Brown was beaten by her mothers boyfriend for eating his yogurt ...she was often kept tied to a chair, this girls grandmother reported the abuse from Puerto Rico and nothing was done. The case I have mentioned cause a complete change of the child welfare system. There have been others but for this moment they escape me.

[Pearl_Fox]

You are all right, evil does walk the world in many forms. I just hope for more than this from people, I guess.
And yes, while shooting was too good for him, at least he can't do it to another child.

[LitlePepito]

Shooting was too good for this guy, but at least he can’t do it to another child. I can’ help but think this is just another reason to keep your self armed. This is a perfect case of if one of the people had had some sort of weapon and been willing to use it, the child may have been saved. Yes I know its quoted that ,
"What we got from witnesses is he was punching, slapping, kicking, stomping, shaking," Singh said. "They tried to intervene and get involved, but their efforts really didn't have an effect. The suspect was engaged in what he was doing. He just pushed them off and went back to it." If he’s pushing you off keep tackling him till he’s down. Why can't people have the gumption to do that?

[La Femme Meow]

Horrible, horrible, horrible. I don't know how anybody can treat another human being that way, particularly a child. That poor child. R.I.P, pobrocito.

::candle::

[Lady Hefron]

This makes my heart hurt. I have no other words

[SHpepperKat]

I snipped this from the Modesto Bee website. Bold is my own. http://www.modbee.com/local/story/330185.html



TURLOCK — The Stanislaus County coroner will use DNA technology to confirm that the toddler savagely beaten to death on a rural road near Turlock was killed by his father, the sheriff's department said today. Detectives said Sergio Aguilar, 27, had no criminal record.
A sheriff's statement said Chief Coroner Krist Ah You is working with the state Department of Justice to expedite results from the DNA test within a week, instead of the usual four to six weeks.
Toxicology tests on Aguilar's body and on the body of the child, Sergio Axel Aguilar, will be taken. Those results are expected in about four weeks.




There's been nothing from the mother as yet, but that's understandable. I wouldn't want to talk to the press either if this happened to me.

[Jayde]

If he’s pushing you off keep tackling him till he’s down. Why can't people have the gumption to do that?


as far as him pushing them off and going back to what he was doing..it may have just been them just even putting their hand on his shoulder or arm.

as to the 2nd part...unfortunately some people are too afraid for their own lives, and legally I think it's one thing if you attack someone in self defense, as opposed to the defense of someone else (be it child or adult). It's like one of those "damned ifyou do damned if you don't" things.

[Isabelle Warwicke]

I read this in a paper left behind by a Guest at work today. My reaction scared the hell out of my employees. They said that they had never seen that look on my face.

I think of how small 2 year olds are and how truly fucked up a person would have to be to do something like that. It's simply unfathomable to me.

[Ysobelle]

Well, do we know yet how big this guy is? How old the people who stopped were? If this guy was on something?

Also, a lot of people-- most, maybe-- just don't know how to deal with violence. Something this brutal is just unfathomable. You might imagine that confronting someone beating the life out of a child would make him stop, cos you can't comprehend someone doing it in the first place.

I've been dreaming of breaking his knee, personally. One swift kick sideways. Then breaking his face with a few more kicks once he's down.

[Buxom Wench]

Well, do we know yet how big this guy is? How old the people who stopped were? If this guy was on something?

Also, a lot of people-- most, maybe-- just don't know how to deal with violence. Something this brutal is just unfathomable. You might imagine that confronting someone beating the life out of a child would make him stop, cos you can't comprehend someone doing it in the first place.

I've been dreaming of breaking his knee, personally. One swift kick sideways. Then breaking his face with a few more kicks once he's down.

Nope. One bullet and never think of this organic piece of waste again. He doesn't deserve it.

[Phoenix McHeit]

Not all of us have a permit to carry. The knee can be done anywhere, anytime.

grumblerazzafrazzinbabykillergrumble

[Bean]

I think the article I read said that the first car on the scene was that of an older couple, so I can see why they couldn't stop this piece of waste. I'm sure by the time others stopped the baby was already dead.

[Ravin' Raven]

In an update to the story today one witness (A volunteer fireman) said the father was claiming the boy was possessed. They have tentatively identified the boy and the man as father and son but the boy was SO SEVERELY BEATEN that actual identification will only be able to be made upon the results of DNA testing (the coroner's office has requested expedited testing that will be complete in a few days rather than the normal several weeks due to the nature of the crime).

In a way I wish the officer hadn't killed him. Took out his legs fine. But he really needed to be treated to a beating at the hands of some 400 pound gorilla with some large chains. He died too quickly and painlessly.

The story I was reading discussed three recent issues: this one, the one I posted about the boy tied to a tree who died, and the case of the five year old in California who had been systematically abused including cigarette burns over his entre body including his genitalia - his little hands can not open up all the way because they have been burned on a stove so many times the scar tissue has built up.....that little boy has a strong will to live and deserves a much much better life than his mother and her girlfriend deserve - because they don't deserve a life at all.

The article was trying to explain why these things happen. Forget the psycho-babble. It happens because people are just plain f*&^d in the head and not in a "mental illness which can be helped" kind of way.

[Bronya]

I live 75 miles from Turlock, my driver goes by there everyday on his deliveries. He said the little memorial is getting bigger by the minute. It is so sad, so many teddy bears left there.

[LitlePepito]

Not all of us have a permit to carry. The knee can be done anywhere, anytime.

grumblerazzafrazzinbabykillergrumble


A lot of states don’t require a permit to carry a handgun, only a permit to carry concealed. Open site is fine in I think 40+ states. I know off the top of my head you need the permit to carry at all in MD, NY, SC, FL, CA and of course good ol’ Washington DC. I’m pretty sure in PA your fine to carry open sited, but I need to double check. So if you wanted to Phoenix you could go bad ass on us all and start loading up. I for one wouldn't mind. :-D:wink:


Now if your talking edged weapons, theres even more leeway. Even MD has a bi-law that alowes for a yard sword to be carried for self defense. You may have to have the Officer stoping you check the law, but it does exist.

[Ravin' Raven]

**snip** carry at all in MD, NY, SC, FL, CA and of course good ol’ Washington DC. I’m pretty sure in PA your fine to carry open sited, but I need to double check. So if you wanted to Phoenix you could go bad ass on us all and start loading up. I for one wouldn't mind. :-D:wink:

Now if your talking edged weapons, theres even more leeway. Even MD has a bi-law that alowes for a yard sword to be carried for self defense. You may have to have the Officer stoping you check the law, but it does exist.



egad I love a woman who knows her weaponry rights.....(I carry a buck knife next to may car seat - I'm waiting for a local yokel merryland type Shareef to question it if he sees it....though unless I showed it to you you wouldn't know it was there....looks like the seat belt buckle....and yeah MD has pissy carry requirements...:ow:)

You know what they're like down here on the shore....the Island is bad enough.....try Caroline County....

[LitlePepito]

egad I love a woman who knows her weaponry rights.....(I carry a buck knife next to may car seat - I'm waiting for a local yokel merryland type Shareef to question it if he sees it....though unless I showed it to you you wouldn't know it was there....looks like the seat belt buckle....and yeah MD has pissy carry requirements...:ow:)

You know what they're like down here on the shore....the Island is bad enough.....try Caroline County....

I’m taught by my hubbie. He’s really big on weaponry rights, especially gun rights.

BTW, I've lived in Owens Mills, Columbia, Reisterstown, Dunkalk, and Kent Island. Been all over MD in my childhood. Tryed to keep up on problems in each county, but you know how big of a problem that is. I know I'm never going to move to Montgomery County.

[voodookatie]

I really wish they hadn't killed this S.O.B. These kind of people get treated EXTRA SPECIAL in jail...with any hope he would have contracted HIV and then die a slow and horribly painful death in a cold jail cell.

But his death now is good too, I guess. We won't have to pay taxes for his sorry ass to live in jail.

[Saucy Sue]

But now our tax dollars won't be going to pay for him to get three square meals a day, free medical, etc.

It would have been nice to see him thrown in jail and let him get that extra special treatment but the odds are that he would have been isolated from the rest of the general population just so that wouldn't happen.

[FairieTink]

In Arizona you don't need a permit. I walked in, and was out in 10 mins buying my gun. You only need a permit to carry conceled and if it takes more than 3 motions to get it, it isn't conceled. Meaning
1. leaning to reach for it
2. reaching under seat
3. grabbing gun
4. taking it out of holster


That isn't conceled here :)

[Phoenix McHeit]

In Arizona you don't need a permit. I walked in, and was out in 10 mins buying my gun. You only need a permit to carry concealed and if it takes more than 3 motions to get it, it isn't concealed. Meaning
1. leaning to reach for it
2. reaching under seat
3. grabbing gun
4. taking it out of holster


That isn't concealed here :)

Gawds I miss living in AZ... *sigh*

Loved seeing the guys on cycles, with the grip sticking outta the jeans waistband.

[Sorcha Griannon]

Gawds I miss living in AZ... *sigh*

Loved seeing the guys on cycles, with the grip sticking outta the jeans waistband.
Freaked me out the first few times, being a Cali girl, when I moved there. But, you have to admit, it is nice...



Sorcha

[SHpepperKat]

Here in WA, all you have to do is go to the Sheriff's department and submit an application and fingerprints. They do a background search and then you get the permit. It's good for 5 years. I couldn't afford to renew mine this year so when I get the chance to do it it will cost me a bit more but it was only $50 5 years ago. They said it would take 6 to 12 weeks to get it back. I had mine in 3. As long as you don't have a criminal background, anyone here can get one and they carry over to Oregon and Idaho and there's a couple other states as well.

[Buxom Wench]

Here in NY state, it's supposed to be difficult; references, background check, finger prints, safety course, etc. From start to finish, I got mine in 2 months.

[Alluring Alora]

My only hope is that in his rage, the little one went very quickly, and have to suffer too long.

[Once Debauched]

I started reading this thread and glanced at my daughter, who is 3, and just wanted to bawl - I still want to cry.

If you think that ass got off easy just stop and think what he's getting "on the other side." I'm positive it's more than 1000 times worse than anything we could come up with. Knowing this makes me VERY happy.

Here in MO we have a conceal and carry law. I've not taken the class to know what's involved with it, but from what I understand it's pretty standard stuff. When buying a gun there's a bit of paperwork and a 3-day waiting period in which they're supposed to to a records check. If the records check doesn't come back within that 3-day period (as often it doesn't) they sell you the gun anyway. You might have to take or get something from your local sheriff or police department, but it's been so long since I purchased my gun it's a bit fuzzy. All in all, as long as you don't have a record it's fairly easy to purchase, and then legally carry concealed here in MO.

[daBaroness]

I'm in Misery ... Missouri, too. My friend Mike has a C&C permit and it wasn't a huge deal. But he's one of those reponsible types who thinks a permit is a good idea. He packs almost all the time, but abides by the rules of establishments he goes into that don't allow weapons inside ... well, most of the time.

He's such a bachelor - the biggest piece of furniture in his living room is his gun safe. He's got an arsenal, but he's a very responsible and knowledgeable gun owner/enthusiast. I used to be a bit skeeved by his hobby - but now I just feel safer when I'm with him.

He'd have blown the guy's head off and sent the rest of his body parts to the four winds in quick order.

[guenwyvar]

here in PA it took me two weeks to get my permit to carry and is good for 5 years. until I got my permit tho, I kept my .38 in my glove box and the ammo in the trunk.