Jessica’s Law dad blasts Mass. rep

[Capt. Stamina]

Article is here. (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/politics/view.bg?articleid=1102761)

In summary, the proposed law was to make a mandatory 20 year sentence for raping a child under 12, but got watered down. Victim’s rights organizations have shown up and are pushing to get the stricter sentence put back in. One particular individual, Representative Fagan, a defense attorney, infuriated victims’ rights advocates during a recent House debate when he said he would “rip apart” 6-year-old victims on the witness stand and “make sure the rest of their life is ruined.”

In a fiery soliloquy on the House floor, Fagan said he’d grill victims so that, “when they’re 8 years old they throw up; when they’re 12 years old, they won’t sleep; when they’re 19 years old, they’ll have nightmares and they’ll never have a relationship with anybody.”

Nice guy. Glad I'm don't have kids and live in Mass. [sarcasm] I guess according to Rep Fagan, those kids under 12 were just ‘asking for it’? [\sarcasm]





For those that missed it, since it wasn’t put into the article; Fagan’s party starts with the letter “D”. [sarcasm]Guess perv's are a part of the village.[\sarcasm]

[Buxom Wench]

Article is here. (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/politics/view.bg?articleid=1102761)

In summary, the proposed law was to make a mandatory 20 year sentence for raping a child under 12, but got watered down. Victim’s rights organizations have shown up and are pushing to get the stricter sentence put back in. One particular individual, Representative Fagan, a defense attorney, infuriated victims’ rights advocates during a recent House debate when he said he would “rip apart” 6-year-old victims on the witness stand and “make sure the rest of their life is ruined.”

In a fiery soliloquy on the House floor, Fagan said he’d grill victims so that, “when they’re 8 years old they throw up; when they’re 12 years old, they won’t sleep; when they’re 19 years old, they’ll have nightmares and they’ll never have a relationship with anybody.”

Nice guy. Glad I'm don't have kids and live in Mass. [sarcasm] I guess according to Rep Fagan, those kids under 12 were just ‘asking for it’? [\sarcasm]





For those that missed it, since it wasn’t put into the article; Fagan’s party starts with the letter “D”. [sarcasm]Guess perv's are a part of the village.[\sarcasm]

I wonder how long it will take him to get a bullet through that vaporous head of his? :augh:

[Pansy Faye]

I still find it difficult in today's world that anyone would defend a child molester/rapist (of any age)/murderer (of anybody). I know the court systems says everyone has a right to their day in court, but it's times and circumstances like this that makes me wish we still had vigilante law for both the perp and the lawyer.

I'm sorry, but this is just wrong on so many levels I can't count them. :augh::vent: I hope this lawyer's kids or relations are never a victim of any crime or criminal he defended.

[Buxom Wench]

....I'm sorry, but this is just wrong on so many levels I can't count them. :augh::vent: I hope this lawyer's kids or relations are never a victim of any crime or criminal he defended.

I wish no harm on any innocent.
I'd rather the crime were committed against the stupid, ignorant lawyer.
That would be justice for what he unleashed, or tried to, back into society.

Vindictive? Me?!

[Pansy Faye]

.......Vindictive? Me?!

>snarf< welcome to my handbasket!

[Buxom Wench]

>snarf< welcome to my handbasket!

Happily! ;-)

[Margaret]

For those that missed it, since it wasn’t put into the article; Fagan’s party starts with the letter “D”. [sarcasm]Guess perv's are a part of the village.[\sarcasm]

Yes - it is an awful statement that guy made. Reprehensible in so many ways. However, I am betting it has more to do with him being a defense atty. rather than a Democrat.

Republicans have their own pervs as well.

[Capt. Stamina]

And in related news

Full article here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_child_rape)

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Wednesday outlawed executions of people convicted of raping a child.

In a 5-4 vote, the court said the Louisiana law allowing the death penalty to be imposed in such cases violates the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

"The death penalty is not a proportional punishment for the rape of a child," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in his majority opinion. His four liberal colleagues joined him, while the four more conservative justices dissented.
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[Buxom Wench]

Dem., Rep., Indie, martian, whathaveyou, I'd still like to take a shot at the bastard. :irked:

And in related news

Full article here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_child_rape)

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Wednesday outlawed executions of people convicted of raping a child.

In a 5-4 vote, the court said the Louisiana law allowing the death penalty to be imposed in such cases violates the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

"The death penalty is not a proportional punishment for the rape of a child," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in his majority opinion. His four liberal colleagues joined him, while the four more conservative justices dissented.
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I'll give them Cruel and Unusal Punishment!!! Those FUCKING BASTARDS!
I hope and pray it never happens to a child they know and love.

[Isabelle Warwicke]

What a pig. I hope Karma gives him a smack!

[Torra]

While I won't say that every single child rapist on the planet deserves the death penalty, neither do I believe it should be excluded. It should be a case-by-case basis, as it is for other offenses. Applying it universally, without examining the merits of the case, is not justice but a reaction to an admittedly heinous crime.

As for the oh-so-kind defense attorney mentioned earlier, well, he'll get his. I hope he never has to see a loved one ripped apart on the stand as he says he would do. I don't know what it would take to get him to realize what a survivor goes though, but I hope he develops some compassion for victims of abuse.

[Bean]

There is a child rapist sitting on death row in one of the states. I heard that reported earlier today when the Supreme Court decision came down. Yes, it is a case by case basis and it shouldn't be ruled out, but I think the SC decision is based on the death penalty being cruel and unusual punishment for any crime, not just child rape.

[LdyJhawk]

You know, I don't think rapists, even child rapists ALL deserve the death penalty...just most of them. But I'm cruel like that.

People who rape infants (and it happens)? Oh now they should get a special punishment of hot iron pokers in their orafices

[Psyche]

I still find it difficult in today's world that anyone would defend a child molester/rapist (of any age)/murderer (of anybody). If there is actual medical/physical evidence proving a rape (in the case of a child), that is one thing. But to go on the say-so of someone else? No. Just as there are women who will lie about being raped, there are children who lie about being molested. Those who are falsely accused have the right and deserve to be defended. It is not difficult to plant false memories in a child - many mothers have done this during divorce hearings.

For the record, I am a survivor of child incest and rape, so I empathize with a true victim. I have no sympathy for liars and feel they deserve to be psychologically shredded on the witness stand.

[LadyLaura]

The falsely accused thing scares me, too. There was a case in CT where a man was jailed for 45 years on abduction and rape charges. After serving 18 years, he finally got a re-trial, and new DNA technology was able to prove it couldn't possibly have been him. He had maintained his innocence all along, but the victim picked him out of a line up, he didn't have an alibi, and the DNA technology at the time, categorized his DNA as "similar". I'm not for badgering child witnesses AT ALL. And I think people that do molest should be prosecuted to the full extent. I think if it CAN be proved, beyond doubt, that they have committed child rape, and especially if they are a repeat offender, the death penalty is appropriate.

[Lady Anisette]

I'm sorry but the death penalty for repeat child molesters/rapists is too kind. I'm more for castration ~ not through drugs but full surgical castration. Eunich anyone?

And Captain, darling, I am a democrat. However, asshats are asshats, regardless of party affiliation. There are ridiculous morons on both sides of the aisle. Fagan is one of them....

[LadyLaura]

I'm sorry but the death penalty for repeat child molesters/rapists is too kind. I'm more for castration ~ not through drugs but full surgical castration. Eunich anyone?


I'll go with that. Totally appropriate. I've seen interviews with these monsters where they freely admit that if they are let out of jail, they will got back and commit the same crime again.

[Pansy Faye]

......... I have no sympathy for liars and feel they deserve to be psychologically shredded on the witness stand.

O I so agree! And it is hard to decide who is lying and who is not. And the liars make it very difficult for the true victims. If it's real then hot pokers isn't good enough for him/her.

I have no sympathy for any criminal who has been proven guilty, Especially the ones caught with the smoking gun on video tape with eye witnesses. Yeah that really urks me.

[Pansy Faye]

I'll go with that. Totally appropriate. I've seen interviews with these monsters where they freely admit that if they are let out of jail, they will got back and commit the same crime again.

And yet the still let them out!! WHY???? If they have admitted that I'll do this again if you let me out, WHYWHYWHYWHYWHY do they still let them out?????? Is the parole board that stupid????

I say shoot them all and let the gods sort them out.

[LadyLaura]

And yet the still let them out!! WHY???? If they have admitted that I'll do this again if you let me out, WHYWHYWHYWHYWHY do they still let them out?????? Is the parole board that stupid????

I say shoot them all and let the gods sort them out.

I can't remember the show now, but they want to let them out because of no room in the prisons. The prisoner they interviewed said he had an "illness", and offered to be voluntarily castrated, either by drugs or the "old-fashioned" way. At least he was being honest. I think that some states actually DO require chemical castration of sex offenders. But yah know, they have RIGHTS. *eye roll*

A lot of them don't make it too long in prison though. Bit of a high mortality rate, I've heard. :wink:

[moiradochartaigh]

A lot of them don't make it too long in prison though. Bit of a high mortality rate, I've heard. :wink:

And what a shame that is........

[devlyn]

The problem with castration is that just prevents an erection and in some cases the lowering of testosterone is helpful in preventing a re-occurance. Rapists/molesters and the like aren't committing these crimes because of the sex, they are doing it because of the power and control and you don't need a dick to abuse someone in that way.

I'm not for the death penalty in general, not because I think it's unfair to the criminal, but because the system is too skewed and corrupt and many people in prison are actually innocent of the crime they are charged with. Bad enough to spend several years in jail, worse would be to kill someone who isn't guilty. In cases that they can prove with complete certainty, I think it should be on the table.

A trap, neuter and release program is great for cats, not so much for rapists. :/

[Capt. Stamina]

Just came across this tidbit of info. Seems that Judge Ginsburg had recommended legislative changes that would reduce the age of consent for statutory rape under federal law from 16 to 12.

[Buxom Wench]

Just came across this tidbit of info. Seems that Judge Ginsburg had recommended legislative changes that would reduce the age of consent for statutory rape under federal law from 16 to 12.

:stunned:

Jesus, Mary, Joseph and Giminy Cricket too!

Can we find a way to get some intelligence in the court system?!?!

[Phoenix McHeit]

Well, I dunno if I'd want it lowered all the way to 12, but there's plenty of horny 15 yr olds who are in danger of prosecution for gettin' it on with their g/f. I believe lowering the age is a sign of the times.

I know I personally think my 14 y/o is too young for sex... BUT ...I'd hate for him to be prosecuted just because of his age, if it is consensual.

[Capt. Stamina]

Sweetie, if your son and his girlfriend are having sex and they get into a fight, she can file a complaint and your son will be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life. In fact, her mom could file a complaint and it's going to be the same reslut.

[Phoenix McHeit]

Exactly why I feel that lowering the age isn't necessarily a knee-jerk bad thing.

And I just re-read the wording on my previous post. Just to clear up any possible mis-conception... he's not sexually active... yet. But I'm not hiding my head in the sand either, convinced he'll stay my little boy forever.

[Peaches O Malley]

Yes - it is an awful statement that guy made. Reprehensible in so many ways. However, I am betting it has more to do with him being a defense atty. rather than a Democrat.

Republicans have their own pervs as well.

Thank you my sister. ::hug::

For those that missed it, since it wasn’t put into the article; Fagan’s party starts with the letter “D”. [sarcasm]Guess perv's are a part of the village

As a Democrat, I am PISSED at being tossed in with this fuckwit because he is a Democrat. Asshats come in ALL parties and I would appreciate it if you would remember that. I really try not to post to political threads on this board, but as the aunt of a victim who's stepfather was the molester/rapist (oh yeah and he was proud patriotic member of the military as well) I am really tired of the generalizations.:unamused:

[Capt. Stamina]

Forewarned is forearmed.

[Margaret]

Yeah - because every lawyer who is a Democrat is a child rapist supporting asshole.

[FairieTink]

Yeah - because every lawyer who is a Democrat is a child rapist supporting asshole.

I thought the point was all Democrat's are just fucked

[Peaches O Malley]

I thought the point was all Democrat's are just fucked

I guess that means you will need a new Navigator. I'm libel to get the whole crew fucked by association. ;-)

[FairieTink]

I guess that means you will need a new Navigator. I'm libel to get the whole crew fucked by association. ;-)

Yeah right, I'm a Independant, I am totally fucked :toocool:

[Margaret]

I guess that means you will need a new Navigator. I'm libel to get the whole crew fucked by association. ;-)

I'm sorry hun - I don't get fucked by association when there are so many more other plesant things to get fucked by. :wink: ::whistle::

[Capt. Stamina]

As a Democrat, I am PISSED at being tossed in with this fuckwit because he is a Democrat. Asshats come in ALL parties and I would appreciate it if you would remember that. I really try not to post to political threads on this board, but as the aunt of a victim who's stepfather was the molester/rapist (oh yeah and he was proud patriotic member of the military as well) I am really tired of the generalizations.:unamused:


Of course they do and I'd be the first to admit it. But don't jump on me for pointing out someone's party since the media is select about it. I'm sorry you got offended that you party is made up with people like this.

But then, as it was so aptly pointed out, I just sling neocon bullshit; so what I say (or write) isn't really important anyway.

[Peaches O Malley]

I'm sorry hun - I don't get fucked by association when there are so many more other plesant things to get fucked by. :wink: ::whistle::



Yeah right, I'm a Independant, I am totally fucked


Yeah! At least I am fucked with good friends! ::yay::::whistle::

[Phoenix McHeit]

I thought the point was all Democrat's are just fucked

You say that like its a bad thing....
8-)

[FairieTink]

Of course they do and I'd be the first to admit it. But don't jump on me for pointing out someone's party since the media is select about it. I'm sorry you got offended that you party is made up with people like this.

But then, as it was so aptly pointed out, I just sling neocon bullshit; so what I say (or write) isn't really important anyway.

I am sorry, I gotta call BS on this, you pointed out the party because ...Let's be honest... you thought it mattered.

You aren't the media, you had a choice what to write or what not to. You had your option to take a cheap shot at that party and she had her chance to not like it.

If you wouldn't have made the point about it at the end of your post, she'd not have had anything to jump on. Then to follow up and tell her not to get offended because her party is made up with people like that, it just another cheap shot at the party.

You don't have to like her party, just like she doesn't have to liek your comments about them, but please do not play high and mighty or wounded soul if called out on it.

[FairieTink]

You say that like its a bad thing....
8-)

HA never!

[Phoenix McHeit]

please do not play high and mighty or wounded soul if called out on it.

But Tink... that's what pot-stirrers do. Didncha know that?

[FairieTink]

But Tink... that's what pot-stirrers do. Didncha know that?

Well fuck, I knew I was missing A POINT there

[Capt. Stamina]

I am sorry, I gotta call BS on this, you pointed out the party because ...Let's be honest... you thought it mattered.

You aren't the media, you had a choice what to write or what not to. You had your option to take a cheap shot at that party and she had her chance to not like it.

If you wouldn't have made the point about it at the end of your post, she'd not have had anything to jump on. Then to follow up and tell her not to get offended because her party is made up with people like that, it just another cheap shot at the party.

You don't have to like her party, just like she doesn't have to liek your comments about them, but please do not play high and mighty or wounded soul if called out on it.

Yes, I pointed it out, since this particular party is the one who’s claim to fame is there for the children.

You're also right in that I’m not the media. In fact I’m not a member of any party, so I don’t really give a flying fart one way or the other which party this shmuck belong to. I would have posted the article anyway. This is the type of politician that people should be aware of and should be out of office (in my opinion anyway).

And if you read what I posted, I did state that I agreed that there were idiots in both parties, not just the one.

I don’t like either party to be truthfully honest. And I’m not playing high and mighty because I picked on on someone’s party nor wounded soul because I has someone jump at me for pointing something out. Personally, I think both parties are overwhelmed with a bunch of socialist who want nothing but to dictate every aspect of people lives. And I think it sucks.

So go ahead and dislike me, get mad at me all you want, shoot the fricking messenger for all I care; because it’s not going to do a damn bit of good. But just maybe, I can get someone to look at things a bit differently. Maybe someone will see some the hypocrisy that’s out there or someone will see how we’ve gone from a republic to a socialist state, or maybe someone other than me can get upset when the 10th Amendment is violated.

[Gellis Indigo]

Personally, I think both parties are overwhelmed with a bunch of socialist who want nothing but to dictate every aspect of people lives. And I think it sucks.


::clappin: ::clappin: ::clappin:

[FairieTink]

So go ahead and dislike me, get mad at me all you want, shoot the fricking messenger for all I care; because it’s not going to do a damn bit of good. But just maybe, I can get someone to look at things a bit differently. Maybe someone will see some the hypocrisy that’s out there or someone will see how we’ve gone from a republic to a socialist state, or maybe someone other than me can get upset when the 10th Amendment is violated.

I don't think I ever claimed to like or dislike you, not did I shoot the messenger. I /thought/ we were having a discussion. I also never took it/made it personal other than pointing out issues in the message, not the typest.

[Gellis Indigo]

I don't think I ever claimed to like or dislike you, not did I shoot the messenger. I /thought/ we were having a discussion. I also never took it/made it personal other than pointing out issues in the message, not the typest.

Just checking my memory here, but I think it's MY turn to call BS on this: (bolding is mine)

I am sorry, I gotta call BS on this, you pointed out the party because ...Let's be honest... you thought it mattered.

You aren't the media, you had a choice what to write or what not to. You had your option to take a cheap shot at that party and she had her chance to not like it.

If you wouldn't have made the point about it at the end of your post, she'd not have had anything to jump on. Then to follow up and tell her not to get offended because her party is made up with people like that, it just another cheap shot at the party.

You don't have to like her party, just like she doesn't have to liek your comments about them, but please do not play high and mighty or wounded soul if called out on it.

Nine "you"'s or "your"'s. Seems a little personal to me.

[Ravin' Raven]

Just when I was beginning to have hope about what could be discussed here and how it could be discussed. :unamused:

I'm curious simply because I obviously missed it but other than in a thread which was started by you to make the statement that you admit to flinging out "Neocon BullS&*$" when did you get called out so negatively on that Capt.?

[FairieTink]

Just checking my memory here, but I think it's MY turn to call BS on this: (bolding is mine)



Nine "you"'s or "your"'s. Seems a little personal to me.

Call away, I stand by what I said, I was quote HIS text - perhaps I should have said, "The person who typed this aren't the media, The person who typed had a choice what to write or what not to. The person who typed had your option to take a cheap shot at that party and she had her chance to not like it.",


not personal, as in

Hey your a dick, shut the fuck up.


Raven - fuck you, you are right *rotfl*

[Ravin' Raven]

Raven - fuck you, you are right *rotfl*

Okay! I'll just take a boning....

mmmm....pot stirrers, dip 'em in sauce and they are scrumpdillyicious....oh, wait, that's pot stickers....sorry....:yum:

[FairieTink]

Okay! I'll just take a boning....

mmmm....pot stirrers, dip 'em in sauce and they are scrumpdillyicious....oh, wait, that's pot stickers....sorry....:yum:

I am so making you, you're very own custom bone pin.

[Gellis Indigo]

On a completely unpolitical note, I just saw this on the local evening news, and one of the parks he's suspected of frequenting is right down the street. He's not a rapist, but he was trying to entice two girls into the woods to look for "flying squirrels" in one of his most recent incidents.

Convicted Sex Offender Arrested In Oxford

http://www.wcpo.com/media/news/e/0/1/e011d06f-16bb-4df7-ad8d-fb37e106e394/Story.jpg (javascript:void(0);)


Reported by: Deb Silverman (http://www.wcpo.com/content/aboutus/default.aspx)
Web produced by: Ian Preuth (http://www.wcpo.com/content/aboutus/default.aspx)

The convicted sex offender who police were searching for has been apprehended in Oxford.

Authorities took 38-year-old Michael Hamblin into custody near some railroad tracks on Thursday afternoon.

Investigators believe Hamblin is the man who recently exposed himself to children in Mason, Monroe and Liberty townships.

Police said Hamblin was released from jail last month after he was convicted of exposing himself to children.

Hamblin has been in and out of jail for exposing himself at local stores over the past few years.

The State of Ohio passed "Nicole's Law" after Hamblin was accused of exposing himself to a girl at the Kohl's in West Chester designed to provide tougher penalties for repeat offenders like Hamblin. Stay with WCPO.com and WCPO-TV for updates.

They interviewed Nicole, the girl that Nicole's Law was named for, and she said when she heard he was wanted again she was scared. She also said she just wishes he would stop because, "If he would just put his mind to it, he could stop."

[Ravin' Raven]

I am so making you, you're very own custom bone pin.


And when will you deliver missy???? WE NEED to get you back to PARF!!! ::yay::