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Jeannie Fitzgerald
11-18-2003, 07:49 PM
The original post has drifted a little off topic, so I'm restarting it.

I received the folowing email from a friend with a couple of reviews of an advanced screening of the movie. I'm even more determined to see it now.


Subject: MEL GIBSON'S "THE PASSION" VIEWED IN DC

Keith A Fournier is a constitutional lawyer and a graduate of the John
Paul II Institute of the Lateran University, Franciscan University
and the University of Pittsburgh. He holds degrees in Philosophy,
theology and law. He has been a champion of religious liberty and
appeared as CO-counsel in major cases at the United States Supreme
Court. He is the author of seven books and, along with his law
practice, serves as the president of both the "Your Catholic Voice
Foundation" and "Common Good."
__________________________________________________ _____

I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been
invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but
I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a
Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the influence. I
h ave a life long, deeply held aversion to anything that might even
indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitic thought, language or
actions.

I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion", held in
Washington DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was
typically Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but
seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words. The
film was very briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the room
darkened.. From the gripping opening scene in the Garden of
Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of the earthly
ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging,
the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender
on the Cross, until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not
simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever
experienced.

In addition to being a masterpiece of film-maki ng and an artistic
triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and
emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my
ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be the
same. When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of
"movers and shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but
this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry eye in the
place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now
eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully
inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in
life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth.

One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A
brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of
the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As
she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child,
falling in the d irt road outside of their home. Just as she reached
to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching to touch his
wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her with intensely probing and
passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and
said "Behold I make all things new." These are words taken from the
last Book of the New Testament, the Book of Revelations. Suddenly,
the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in
the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed
all over His body, became intensely beautiful. They had been borne
voluntarily for love.

At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover, a
question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film,
from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the compliments
were effusive. The questions included the one question that seems to
follow this film, even though it has not yet even been released. "Why
is this film considered by some to be "anti-Semitic?" Frankly, having
now experienced (you do not "view" this film) "the Passion" it is a
question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire
sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After watching
this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even

remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He
continued "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus" I agree.
There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in
this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to
decry it. It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically
beautiful, sensitive and profoundly engaging way.

Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or
have another agenda behind their protestations. This is not a
"Christian" film, in the sense that it will appeal only to thos e who
identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply
human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It
is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian
and thankfully has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is
no longer acceptable behavior than we are all in trouble. History
demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a
right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story
ever told and that its message is for all men and women. The greatest
right is the right to hear the truth.

We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel narratives
to which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by Jewish men who
followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed
the history of the world. The problem is not the message but those
who have distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The
soluti on is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind
of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The
Passion."

It should be seen by as many people as possible. I intend to do
everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am passionate about
"The Passion." You will be as well. Don't miss it!

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The following is a commentary by DAVID LIMBAUGH about Mel Gibson's very controversial movie regarding Christ's crucifixion. It's very worth reading.

MEL GIBSON'S passion for "THE PASSION"

How ironic that when a movie producer takes artistic license with
historical events, he is lionized as artistic, creative and brilliant, but
when another takes special care to be true to the real-life story, he is
vilified. Actor-producer Mel Gibson is discovering these truths the hard way
as he is having difficulty finding a United States studio or distributor for
his upcoming film, "The Passion," which depicts the last 12 hours of the
life of Jesus Christ.
Gibson co-wrote the script and financed, directed and produced the
movie. For the script, he and his co-author relied on the New Testament
Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, as well as the diaries of St. Anne
Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824) and Mary of Agreda's "The City of God."
Gibson doesn't want this to be like other sterilized religious epics.
"I'm trying to access the story on a very personal level and trying to be
very real about it." So committed to realistically portraying what many
would consider the most important half-day in the history of the universe,
Gibson even shot the film in the Aramaic language of the period. In response
to objections that viewers will not be able to understand that language,
Gibson said, "Hopefully, I'll be able to transcend the language barriers
with my visual storytelling; if I fail, I fail, but at least it'll be a
monumental failure."
To further insure the accuracy of the work, Gibson has enlisted the
counsel of pastors and theologians, and has received rave reviews. Don
Hodel, president of Focus on the Family, said, "I was very impressed. The
movie is historically and theologically accurate." Ted Haggard, pastor of
New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo., and president of the National
Evangelical Association, glowed: "It conveys, more accurately than any other
film, who Jesus was."
During the filming, Gibson, a devout Catholic, attended Mass every
morning because "we had to be squeaky clean just working on this." >From
Gibson's perspective, this movie is not about Mel Gibson. It's bigger than
he is. "I'm not a preacher, and I'm not a pastor," he said. "But I really
fe el my career was leading me to make this. The Holy Ghost was working
through me on this film, and I was just directing traffic. I hope the film
has the power to evangelize."
Even before the release of the movie, scheduled for March 2004, Gibson
is getting his wish. "Everyone who worked on this movie was changed. There
were agnostics and Muslims on set converting to Christianity...[and] people
being healed of diseases." Gibson wants people to understand through the
movie, if they don't already, the incalculable influence Christ has had on
the world. And he grasps that Christ is controversial precisely because of
WHO HE IS - GOD incarnate. "And that's the point of my film really, to show
all that turmoil around him politically and with religious leaders and the
people, all because He is Who He is."
Gibson is beginning to experience first hand just how controversial
Christ is. Critics have not only specious ly challenged the movie's
authenticity, but have charged that it is disparaging to Jews, which Gibson
vehemently denies. "This is not a Christian vs. Jewish thing. '[Jesus] came
into the world, and it knew him not.' Looking at Christ's crucifixion, I
look first at my own culpability in that." Jesuit Father William J. Fulco,
who translated the script into Aramaic and Latin, said he saw no hint of
anti-Semitism in the movie. Fulco added, "I would be aghast at any
suggestion that Mel Gibson is anti-Semitic." Nevertheless, certain groups
and some in the mainstream press have been very critical of Gibson's
"Passion."
The New York Post's Andrea Peyser chided him: "There is still time, Mel,
to tell the truth." Boston Glove columnist James Carroll denounced Gibson's
literal reading of the biblical accounts. "Even a faithful repetition of the
Gospel stories of the death of Jesus can do damage exactly because those
sacr ed texts themselves carry the virus of Jew hatred," wrote Carroll. A
group of Jewish and Christian academics has issued an 18-page report
slamming all aspects of the film, including its undue emphasis on Christ's
passion rather than "a broader vision." The report disapproves of the
movie's treatment of Christ's passion as historical fact.
The moral is that if you want the popular culture to laud your work on
Christ, make sure it either depicts Him as a homosexual or as an everyday
sinner with no particular redeeming value (literally). In our anti-Christian
culture, the blasphemous "The Last Temptation of Christ" is celebrated, and
"The Passion" is condemned. But if this movie continues to affect people the
way it is now, no amount of cultural opposition will suppress its force and
its positive impact on lives everywhere. Mel Gibson is a model of faith and
courage.

Ysobelle
11-18-2003, 08:27 PM
Are these people aware that most groups were reacting to cuts of the film that weren't final edits? There's been a firestorm of criticism from the beginning, and if Gibson is as sensitive as he claims to be, I wouldn't be surprised if he made changes. As a matter of fact, I seem to remember hearing he did cut certain scenes.

And while I do respect the reviewers' points of view, they're not Jews. When the rest of us get to view it, then we'll see who is offended and who isn't. I tend to be annoyed by those who tell me what should and shouldn't offend me. I'll make that decision myself, thanks.

Jeannie Fitzgerald
11-18-2003, 10:00 PM
I'll make that decision myself, thanks.

Same as I will, WHEN I finally see it. My last post was intended to be informative, not judgemental. The article has merely increased my desire to the movie for myself. Until then, as far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out.

Jeannie

Ysobelle
11-18-2003, 11:18 PM
Oh, I didn't mean YOU, per se. I'm just tetchy about the way some articles just can't imagine where on earth us wacky Jews get the idea this movie might not make us happy. I'm happy for the writers you referenced, but G-d...the whole circus makes me crazy.

Ysobelle
11-18-2003, 11:24 PM
Okay, this sums up a lot of the concerns we've had. It's from September, so I don't know how much the film's changed, but I suppose we'll see.

http://www.adl.org/interfaith/gibson_qa.asp

Jeannie Fitzgerald
11-19-2003, 12:04 PM
This explains why I want to see the film first before I evaluate it (I hesitate to use "judge" here). The reports on the film are conflicting. The jury remains out.-+

Kristianne the MerWench
11-19-2003, 08:27 PM
I personally start to get a little nervous when I start reading things about things like Muslims "almost" converting to Christianity and people being spontaneously healed while on the set of a movie. Here's why: it starts sounding an awful lot like the evangelical christian church that used to haunt my public high school--inviting kids to pizza parties and houseboat trips where they were exposed to charismatic speakers who got everyone weeping and wailing. In my graduating class alone, 3 Jewish boys converted to this sect, then started announcing that their families were going to hell. I called this group "the cult".

I'll be honest with you--the second article in particular made me a bit queasy. I get very nervous when Christians start referring to something that is true to the Bible as historically accurate. You will notice that David Limbaugh mentions that Mel Gibson consulted with pastors and theologians, but no mention of HISTORIANS. He was also downright condescending to people who had concerns about the film. By all means, praise Mel Gibson for making a powerful film that is true to the Gospel, but don't start trying to tell me that the Bible, or any holy book for that matter, is historical fact. Religion, by its very nature, is mystic. And its ok to leave it that way.

Just my $0.02

Ysobelle
11-19-2003, 11:26 PM
Werd.

Another thing that bothers me about that is that it's easy to get the answers you want when you only talk to people who believe what you yourself believe. If he wanted to tell the whole truth, why didn't he talk to all parties involved? I mean granted, it might be hard to find Pharisees these days, but hey, the Jews? Right here, buddy. And we have ancient texts and scholars, too.

If he wants to tell his point of view, that's fine. But he shouldn't brand his movie as the truth.

Isabella
12-01-2003, 10:51 AM
Kristianne said "Here's why: it starts sounding an awful lot like the evangelical christian church that used to haunt my public high school--inviting kids to pizza parties and houseboat trips where they were exposed to charismatic speakers who got everyone weeping and wailing."

I unfortunately I know what you are talking about. Our high school allowed a group to meet that created a wave of negative rederic agenst other forms of spirituality than Christian. The head of the group was a teacher on campus. I was pagan at the time, quiet in my beliefs, and ideas, but they made it was made a point daily to approach me, bother me, and say demeaning things to my person. I watch yearly as friends of mine would join, and become Christians. I was happy for them, that they found where they felt they needed to be in their spiritual lives, unfortuantely, they didn't feel the need to return the favor. I lost about a dozen good friends, because "I was dirty, and walking with Satan." Well, shucks, who made you the Savior? Last time I looked, judgement was a no no in your spiritual faith. What about the commandment Jesus gave you folks, "Love all others, as you have Loved Him?" Curious how it was all forgotten. So throughout high school, I was belittled, and created to feel like I was filth. Finally, I just learned to ignore, which now looking in return, I wish I hadn't. I wish in my experiances in high school I could have stood up and said, "Look, I hang out with people of multi spiritual backgrounds, be they Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, or Pagan. If I wanted to talk to you, I would. If you have nothing to say to me that isn't posative, then don't."

Unfortunately, I experianced the same kind of bias on Thanksgiving this year. I am choosing a different style of church to attend than my husband's family. I have not told them, because I am a private person. I have a choice to accept the beliefs of what ever church that I see is right for me. Unfortunately, they spent nearly fifteen minutes tearing down that particular church, it's beliefs and ideals. I was very deeply hurt. I didn't want to start a "Let's gang up on her" war at the dinner table so I kept my mouth shut. This is only past experiance of high school baring it's ugly head with me, because I wasn't able to open my mouth and stand up for my beliefs. But then again, how can you when they will tear you down any how?

But I come to this. When we believe in a spiritual platform, or faith, it's all about individual freedom of choice and interpertation. This movie is one of those again. I've taken pains in my personal spirituality to try and see everything in a circuliar way. I've read historians views of Pilate, because I wanted to know more about the person, rather than an interpertation made by someone. I've done that with a great number of figures. I'm not saying it to say, "Oh boy, aren't I nifty!?" I did it because I wanted to interperate the people, times, and places in my voice, and my thoughts, so that I could know them beyond the slant placed on them by one particular group or another.

Heck if you want to read something very interesting I got the Dalai Lama interperting the Gospels of the Bible through his views and experiances as a Buddhist Monk.

It is my sincere hope that one person's "Interpertation" does not become the "be all end all". I do agree, that it is scary when folks begin giving historical "fact" to Biblical ideas, but it can also be said in the juncture that that is how one individual helps themselves become closer to their faith. It may not be how I do it, but if it works for them, then that's cool. :)

Hopefully this all made sence, and I didn't come out sounding nuts, or overly this way or that way. When the movie comes out, I'll go in and see it. At this point I don't know what I'll see, or how the interpertation will effect me, but it is my hope that my inpertation will be what for me is what holds true, and how I view myself, my faith and my ideas, will be the final verdict on it all.

Be at Peace. :)
Pinay

Jeannie Fitzgerald
12-01-2003, 12:51 PM
Pinay, you didn't sound nuts and you do make perfect sense. I love you for your open, nonjudgemental mind.

Holly
12-01-2003, 07:36 PM
so where do you get the Dahli lamah<spelling>'s interpretations of the gospals ... That really facinates me