Tonight's Debate

[devlyn]

I'm going to hold off on talking about the debate until I see it again when I'm sober ::yay:: but I noticed at the end when Cindy and Michelle got on the stage that Michelle is actually taller/bigger than John. I love that she's a big, strong, elegant woman.

Oh, and Obama was so eloquent and intelligent in his final statement, I thought John looked like he wanted to say "I'm voting for you!"

::runfore:

[Pathos]

A clip for those who missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE

8-)

[Selena]

Other than McCain pulling a few cheap punches, I thought Obama did very well with taking the punches and moving along. I even saw McCain roll his eyes at Obama once or twice. :unamused:

McCain got pissed a few times... you could see it throughout the debate.

[Alchemist23]

Yeah, McCain got so mad, he smiled a lot. But it was a frustrated "somebody hand me a gun" smile.

[Winifred Baskerville]

That was tonight? Damnation! I thought it was Friday... *sigh*

[Cyranno DeBoberac]

McCain on Supreme Court nominations:

I won't employ a litmus test, I'll choose a person solely based on his qualifications.

Of course, if he supports Roe v. Wade, then he's unqualified, but I won't have a litmus test! *rotfl*

Even Obama was almost LOL. :)

[Selena]

And the word of the day is: repudiate.

I think McCain just learned it yesterday. Hell, he sure did say it enough times... :lol:

[Bean]

I didn't watch (had to close at work last night), but I watched some of the post debate commentary. The polling numbers are unreal!! McCain also didn't make any friends when he was talking about abortion and used air quotes when speaking of the "health" of the mother as an excuse for an abortion.

[Bean]

Pathos, I think your debate was more interesting than the real thing.....

[Kae]

As a teacher I paid close attention to the education comments. No offense to the military personel but just because you are highly qualified to defend our country does not make you qualified to instruct our youth.

"MCCAIN: We need to encourage programs such as Teach for America and Troops to Teachers where people, after having served in the military, can go right to teaching and not have to take these examinations which -- or have the certification that some are required in some states."

Kae

[Isabelle Warwicke]

...and used air quotes when speaking of the "health" of the mother as an excuse for an abortion.

:shock: Please tell me he didn't? *headdesk*

The Conservative in me wants to vote for McCain. The Woman in me wants to vote for Obama.

There is no happy medium. Is there an independant candidate? I officially hate this political season.

[Alchemist23]

As a teacher I paid close attention to the education comments. No offense to the military personel but just because you are highly qualified to defend our country does not make you qualified to instruct our youth.

"MCCAIN: We need to encourage programs such as Teach for America and Troops to Teachers where people, after having served in the military, can go right to teaching and not have to take these examinations which -- or have the certification that some are required in some states."

Kae

Yeah, no way! I couldn't believe he said that, it left me going...huh?

[Gemdrite]

:shock: Please tell me he didn't? *headdesk*

The Conservative in me wants to vote for McCain. The Woman in me wants to vote for Obama.

There is no happy medium. Is there an independant candidate? I officially hate this political season.
I've got the same problem, except that the brain in me finds them both repugnant. I've finally decided to write in my vote.

[Ysobelle]

Y'know, I was working on something when he made the dismissive comments about teachers' certifications, and I honestly thought, "There's NO WAY I actually heard that correctly."

Holy hell.

[devlyn]

About the Supreme Court:

From what I've heard, the next two likely retirees will be the more "Liberal" judges. If two conservative judges replace them, the balance will be severely tilted to the right. If two liberal judges replace them, the balance will stay relatively the same as it is now.

About Abortion:

I wish Obama and McCain would have talked more about how he would seek to prevent abortion/unwanted pregnancies. I don't know anyone who sees abortion as anything but a necessary evil. Most thinking people want to see unwanted pregnancies/abortion diminished and/or made completely unnecessary. Comprehensive sex ed, access to birth control/contraceptives, and lower cost yearly exams and birth control options for women would all help this.

Making it illegal would simply force women to get illegal abortions. It's a reactionary policy and has proven, over the years, even in the glory years of the 1950's to be an epic fail.

Negative ads:

I was glad Bob brought up the negative ads and attacks and such. I think McCain was confused as to what that means. Negative attacks on policy or voting record is fine, I guess, though I'd rather hear what each candidate will DO. Negative attacks on their character is totally inappropriate. It's like what happens in a flame war on forums. Can't defend your view or debate? Just attack the other person and call them a pinko liberal commie or a republinazi Hitler.

I've watched a lot of stump speeches for both candidates and have only heard the shouted "Terrorist" and "Kill them!" with McCain/Palin rallys. The times people have boo'ed when Obama mentioned McCain, he hushed them and told them "we don't need that.. we need to vote". I thought that was classy and Palin's lack of doing so was trashy.

I did see a few examples of McCain trying to calm down his supporters, which I was a bit impressed with, but didn't address the fact that he and Palin were the ones riling them up to begin with.

[lavender r dragon]

As a teacher I paid close attention to the education comments. No offense to the military personel but just because you are highly qualified to defend our country does not make you qualified to instruct our youth.

"MCCAIN: We need to encourage programs such as Teach for America and Troops to Teachers where people, after having served in the military, can go right to teaching and not have to take these examinations which -- or have the certification that some are required in some states."

Kae

having taken education classes in college i was shocked by that too - but according to my rogue (who was in the marine corps) its only available to senior enlisted and senior (?) officers and, according to him, senior enlisted teach and/or oversee. so they've been teaching soldiers how to soldier and he's pretty sure they have to start taking certification classes once they start. (which to me sounded like the nc program "lateral entry" - if you're a biologist you can start teaching biology and work on your certification, but some of my ed profs said schools were moving away from that b/c of NCLB's "highly qualified" clause.)

i can't find a clear website about the program with a quick google search.

i saw the end of the question about abortion and the education question, and what i heard mccain say was "trops to teachers...teach without extra classes or the certifications required in some states". maybe he meant before they start teaching (like lateral entry) but it just sounded wrong.

i'm going to watch the rest later.

[lavender r dragon]

also,
maybe b/c virginia's being considered a battleground state,
we've had a good amount of political ads on tv and the radio.
the ones i've noticed seem to me to go like this:

mccain ad: trash obama's policies and possibly people he may or may not be friends with. OR obama's policy will do x, and it will be terribly, blah, blah

obama ad: mccain's policy is x and it will cause y, my policy is a and it will cause b.

[Selena]

:shock: Please tell me he didn't? *headdesk*




Yeah, he did.

Here's the clip...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/9537/1233/273/632295

[Peaches O Malley]

Other than McCain pulling a few cheap punches, I thought Obama did very well with taking the punches and moving along. I even saw McCain roll his eyes at Obama once or twice. :unamused:

McCain got pissed a few times... you could see it throughout the debate.

McCain's anger issues are interesting. What he says and does when he is pissed say alot about him IMHO. :unamused:

[Selena]

Oh yeah... and the Joe the plumber guy? Seems as he doesn't have a whole lot of room to talk about 'higher taxes'... seems he can't seem to pay his taxes anyway.

Can't get directly to the county link... their server is probably being killed right about now... but regardless, it seems as if Joe plumber was sued for unpaid taxes.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/123539/11/77/632515


Poor guy... he didn't mean to be put in the middle of this crap, did he.

[Peaches O Malley]

Y'know, I was working on something when he made the dismissive comments about teachers' certifications, and I honestly thought, "There's NO WAY I actually heard that correctly."

Holy hell.
Yep you heard right......why is it he seems to think anyone can go into the classroom and teach?? There is a HUGE difference between a 3rd grader and an airman. Srlsly...fucker.

[Selena]

Just imagine this as McCain:

Jeff Dunham's Walter channeling Achmed...

"I KIIIILLLL YOU!!"

*rotfl*


Can't you see it??

[Ysobelle]

Was he talking about soldiers who've already been teaching moving over to civilian teaching jobs, or civilians starting teaching with no certification?

Cos the first one is possibly a bad idea, the second one just incomprehensible. I have to be missing something, here.

[Peaches O Malley]

Was he talking about soldiers who've already been teaching moving over to civilian teaching jobs, or civilians starting teaching with no certification?

Cos the first one is possibly a bad idea, the second one just incomprehensible. I have to be missing something, here.

Sadly, I think you have everything.

[Bean]

So how does teaching military related topics transfer over to the "everyday" schools, Mr. McCain? Do our children really need to know how to strip and clean an AK-47 at age 8?

[Pathos]

So how does teaching military related topics transfer over to the "everyday" schools, Mr. McCain? Do our children really need to know how to strip and clean an AK-47 at age 8?
The military does a bit more than just that.

I actually don't have a problem with that aspect of McCains plan. My brother was an instructor in the Air Force for over a decade and he'd make an excellent school teacher.

I Do have problems with a lot of MCains other plans.

[lavender r dragon]

The military does a bit more than just that.

I actually don't have a problem with that aspect of McCains plan. My brother was an instructor in the Air Force for over a decade and he'd make an excellent school teacher.

I Do have problems with a lot of MCains other plans.

yeah i asked my rogue the same question last night and he said, for instance, gunners use alot of algebra to aim and such (to take into account weather and stuff i guess?) and so he teaches algebra to soldiers when teaching them how to be gunners.

[Kae]

Ok - I don't think you understand -
While a person may be an expert on a subject, it does not mean that they can enter a modern public high school or elementary school and survive as a teacher. You can't make them do push ups if they don't do something you say. If a child fails an assignment or just doesn't do it - in this day and age - it is up to the teacher to find a way to solve that problem of apathy or lack of interest. If "Johnny" decides to mouth off and disrespect - God forbid - you put him in his place, then you are reprimanded for causing "Johnny" stress. You must call home and explain to the legal guardian that "Johnny" was disrespectful or is failing or skipping - How many teachers have heard - "What did you do to deserve it" or "Not my Johnny, he is such a good kid." Then there is the piles of paperwork, grading, lesson plans and classroom management to work with. Top it off with teaching morals, job interview skills, sexual discrimination awareness, manners and basic skills without upsetting any side of the political/religious spectrum - Oh and don't forget those pesky laws put in to keep the child in a safe learning environment. If we can't make them do push ups, what do you think we can do for discipline measures.

I love and support my military. I think they are amazing men and women but it takes more than knowledge on a subject to teach in today's world. Without proper training focused not only on the subject but also on the what happens in a classroom and school outside of the subject matter, a good educational experience will not exist. I am not saying that military personal would not make good educators, I am saying that without proper training no one will make a good educator nor will they stay in the field.

My two cents.

[Adriana Rose]

It really made me mad when it took McCain like 20 minutes to answer the abortion question, it was a simple yes or no question..

McCain spent alot of time shooting off topic and he was seriously showing his age and started acting like a grumpy old man...

[Ravin' Raven]

So how does teaching military related topics transfer over to the "everyday" schools, Mr. McCain? Do our children really need to know how to strip and clean an AK-47 at age 8?

You mean we don't? I could field strip AR-15 when I was 8....srsly....in 30 seconds....blindfolded.....




*my ten year senior brother thought it would be cool to teach little sis when he got back from basic.....

Now I'll admit that I didn't watch the debate since I am, technincally on vacation, but while I see the importance of certain subjects I'd rather see someone with an English degree teaching English without the educational certifications than some with certifications with no English skills whatsoever teaching English.....

[Kae]

To teach a subject - at least in Texas - you are required a Teaching Certificate as well as a degree in the subject matter you teach. If you must teach a different subject than one you have a certificate in, you are only allowed to do so for 1 teaching year. This is to give the school time to find a qualified instructor. The teaching certification process in Texas and in other states is a two prong process. You must be certified in your subject matter as well as the professional certification that covers all legal, ethical and management issues that arise in a classroom and in a school.

If you are in a situation where there are teachers instructing your child in a subject that they know nothing about - talk to your school board. That goes against many federal educational laws as well as state laws depending where you reside.

Kae

[LadyLaura]

OK, this teacher thing is really bothering me.

First off, anyone who doesn't have the proper skills shouldn't be able to get certified. There ARE tests that need to be taken, for a reason. McCain seems to want to get rid of them. Not such a good idea to skip them for anyone, military or non.

As far as putting military people in teaching jobs, fine. We tried that around here with a "quick route" to certification for people in professions other than teaching who had a four-year degree and "related experience". Got some very good teachers out of it. HOWEVER, the vast majority crashed and burned within the first year. Their 3-month quick certification course didn't prepare them well enough to deal with a classroom full of students, paperwork, planning, and all the rest.

Where I am, teaching, as a field, is full. We have more than enough teachers already. Schools are laying off. There is one school district that is contemplating cutting between 160 and 300 staff members. I can't help but think that other districts are going to follow suit if they pull this off. Not a great time to add even more to the pool.

Let's just say I am not a fan, and I'm not a teacher, either.

[Ravin' Raven]

If you are in a situation where there are teachers instructing your child in a subject that they know nothing about - talk to your school board. That goes against many federal educational laws as well as state laws depending where you reside.

Kae


I'm lucky that I don't have children in school....but thanks for the advice. I just remember when I came out of college and they couldn't find teachers to save their souls. I had a degree in English but they wouldn't hire me and let me go back to get the education classes. But they did have people with education degrees (no specialities needed) teaching subjects that they had not taken themselves since high school- and were giving them cram classes -most of them managed to stay maybe one lesson ahead of the kids they were teaching !! And I once dated someone whose kids were in school and I had to send back homework assignments, etc., on a regular basis that I had corrected for grammar and spelling - and yet she'd get marked down for using a vocab. word wrong when it was spelled wrong on the sheet from the teacher!!!!

So - back to the debate. I just watched the summary on the news. Painful...just painful for McCain again. The one shot he got in (if you wanted to run against Bush you should have run four years ago....) Obama saved by remaining perfectly calm and answering him directly.

[LadyLaura]

I will also say that McCain's healthcare "plan" scares the heck out of me. A $5,000 "tax credit" towards healthcare will do me absolutely no good, since I can't get an individual policy. Taxing employer-sponsored health benefits isn't helping anyone, disincentives for employer-sponsored plans aren't good news, and deregulation of the health insurance industry is terrifying. Healthcare is bad now, but what he's talking about would be a whole lot worse.

[letitfly]

Oh yeah... and the Joe the plumber guy? Seems as he doesn't have a whole lot of room to talk about 'higher taxes'... seems he can't seem to pay his taxes anyway.

Can't get directly to the county link... their server is probably being killed right about now... but regardless, it seems as if Joe plumber was sued for unpaid taxes.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/123539/11/77/632515


Poor guy... he didn't mean to be put in the middle of this crap, did he.



Maybe he is like palin and doesn't think paying taxes is patriotic when you can just borrow from China.

He also doesn't think he should be bothered with all that nasty government regulations like being licensed:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

I would love to see if any phone calls went back and forth between Joe and the McCain campaighn.

[Bean]

LL: I wouldn't worry about the McCain "tax credit" for healthcare. The $5000 is for a family, only $2500 for singles; and you don't get the money, the insurance company gets it.

McCain also seems to think that you can get a family health plan for about $5800. The recent realistic figure for a family plan is in the neighborhood of $12,000. So, a fat lot of good the McCain health care tax credit does Joe Sixpack. Oh, and yeah, how is taxing my employer contributed sum towards my healthcare giving the middle class a tax break?

[LadyLaura]

LL: I wouldn't worry about the McCain "tax credit" for healthcare. The $5000 is for a family, only $2500 for singles; and you don't get the money, the insurance company gets it.

McCain also seems to think that you can get a family health plan for about $5800. The recent realistic figure for a family plan is in the neighborhood of $12,000. So, a fat lot of good the McCain health care tax credit does Joe Sixpack. Oh, and yeah, how is taxing my employer contributed sum towards my healthcare giving the middle class a tax break?

Agreed. The "tax credit" doesn't help me one bit, because I am so POOR, I will get my taxes refunded anyhow, even without McCain's additional credit for healthcare. It is my understanding that the insurance company does not get the money--you have to pay the insurance company, but you receive a tax credit for the payment, up to $5,000 for family, and (apparently) $2,500 for a single person. But you have to have proof that you paid the premiums. Currently, you can deduct medical expenses including healthcare premiums on your taxes if they meet certain criteria. For example, due to the fact that I had to pay (outrageous) COBRA premiums and copays last year, I could deduct them. So this healthcare deduction business is not really new. Those that should be getting a tax deduction for medical expenses are already getting one. It's based on the ratio of medical expenses to income. The McCain plan places it evenly across the board, which I think is less fair.

[Cyranno DeBoberac]

So how does teaching military related topics transfer over to the "everyday" schools, Mr. McCain? Do our children really need to know how to strip and clean an AK-47 at age 8?

Well, this 11-year-old girl is pretty bad-ass with an AR15.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irykjLjuKo8

[Cyranno DeBoberac]

To McCain's credit, he only said "my friends" once.

[Margaret]

So how does teaching military related topics transfer over to the "everyday" schools, Mr. McCain? Do our children really need to know how to strip and clean an AK-47 at age 8?

/threadjack.....

How 'bout this Bean?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSERifmwsM8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ogDSkmyXs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pdXlZvu8Bk


(ganked from the Rogue's Board - that's our Brother Rogue Jay)

[lavender r dragon]

It is my understanding that the insurance company does not get the money--you have to pay the insurance company, but you receive a tax credit for the payment, up to $5,000 for family, and (apparently) $2,500 for a single person. But you have to have proof that you paid the premiums.

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm

John McCain Will Reform The Tax Code To Offer More Choices Beyond Employer-Based Health Insurance Coverage. While still having the option of employer-based coverage, every family will receive a direct refundable tax credit - effectively cash - of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset the cost of insurance. Families will be able to choose the insurance provider that suits them best and the money would be sent directly to the insurance provider. (This sentence was referred to in a recent untruthful attack ad by Barack Obama. Click here to read the facts.) Those obtaining innovative insurance that costs less than the credit can deposit the remainder in expanded Health Savings Accounts

and from the here link
Helping Those Without Employer Coverage: If you are a middle-class American today without employer provided health care, the McCain plan would give you a tax credit of $2,500 as an individual, or $5,000 for a family, to help you buy your own health insurance coverage, including across state lines. American families – not government bureaucrats or insurance companies – will choose the coverage that best meets their needs. Today, the government does nothing to help you. Why does Barack Obama oppose this?

McCain Health Plan Puts Families in Charge: In another desperate attack, Barack Obama and Joe Biden have said that McCain health care tax credits to help families buy coverage "will go straight to the insurance company." Here is what they fail to mention – the credit goes to the insurance company that the American family chooses to get coverage from, anywhere in the nation. The power of choice lies with the family – not government bureaucrats or insurance companies. Ridiculing this line of strange attack, The Associated Press stated, "Of course it would, because it's meant to pay for insurance. That's like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer." Furthermore, any additional money left over after purchasing coverage will be controlled by the family in a portable health savings account.


my rogue for him and his boys and me has a plan through work that he pays roughly 3,900 a year for (not to mention copays, etc) - am i right in assuming if you don't have it through work it costs more? if so, i'm not sure 5,000 is going to go very far. so i'm wondering how this is supposed to work. you pick your insurance (lets say its $5000 even - i hate math) and tell them, oh at tax break time you'll get my 5,000 from the government and they say, oh ok, here's your insurance until then? or are you paying preiums and they get the 5,000 and then how do you figure out whats "left over" for your own account?

[Bean]

That $3900 is probably what your SO pays towards his insurance. What does his company contribute? Your health plan costs alot more than you think it does.

[LadyLaura]

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm



and from the here link


my rogue for him and his boys and me has a plan through work that he pays roughly 3,900 a year for (not to mention copays, etc) - am i right in assuming if you don't have it through work it costs more? if so, i'm not sure 5,000 is going to go very far. so i'm wondering how this is supposed to work. you pick your insurance (lets say its $5000 even - i hate math) and tell them, oh at tax break time you'll get my 5,000 from the government and they say, oh ok, here's your insurance until then? or are you paying preiums and they get the 5,000 and then how do you figure out whats "left over" for your own account?

Agreed with what Bean says, the $3,900 is most likely your Rogue's portion of the premium, not counting the employer portion.

Also, on Medical Spending Accounts or "MSA"s. McCain's $5,000/$2,500 account would most likely be some type of an MSA. You have to prove that you spent that money on premiums in order to withdraw that money (not sure if copays or other medical-related expenses will allow you to withdraw from the account, sounds like it might). With a typical MSA, you have to use the money in the account within the calendar year it's put in, or you lose it, the government takes it back. Sounds like McCain's plan would most likely work on the same principle, only the government would put the money in the account.

No idea exactly how the money goes "directly to the insurance carrier". I don't think that's a very important point, really.

All I know is that $2,500 gets me NOWHERE with coverage. I was on COBRA insurance last year, group coverage, where I was responsible for 100% of the premiums. My coverage cost me $6,000 for the year. Now I have no coverage, and am denied for individual coverage, so there isn't anything for me to buy with the $2,500 anyway. And it probably wouldn't even cover one ER visit.

[lavender r dragon]

That $3900 is probably what your SO pays towards his insurance. What does his company contribute? Your health plan costs alot more than you think it does.

right - i don't know how much the company contributes but the point i was trying to make (that $5000 per family doesn't go very far for insurance) still stands (i just did it poorly - which is what happens when i post about complex issues while not very awake :zzz: )

my question about how the money gets paid out was a logistic question- i mean i get tax refund once a year right? but we pay insurance every pay check so i just wondering - it is a minor point but i'm that one person who always wonders about minor points:wink:


also, can't find anything right now, but there's a line in an ad or soemthing that siad Mccain was going to tax benefits - i didn't see it in his plan, on his site. did obama's group make this up or is it something mccain said or am i just missing it on his site? b/c if thats true, and the $5,000 credit barely covers cost of insurance and then he's going to tax it, i'm not sure where he's coming up with the "leftover money" for the family to put into the "portable helath savings account" 'cause i don't see nay leftover (but i've always been bad at math:wink: so maybe i'm just missing it)

[Cyranno DeBoberac]

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[Selena]

Oh Bob... just what are we going to do with you....

*rotfl*

[Cyranno DeBoberac]

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[Cyranno DeBoberac]

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[Pathos]

http://i38.tinypic.com/2gwxdvp.jpg

Dude...stuff like that will get you more "guy" votes.

Are you trying to help McCain win?

8-)

[Alchemist23]

2,500 bucks won't get you far either in insurance payments, or in trips to the doc. I have over 3k in debt from just going to the doc/dentist to find out what the problems are, only to find that I can't afford to fix the problems.

They quoted me WELL over 1,000 dollars to have my wisdom teeth pulled, and that wasn't even needing an oral surgeon...and they wanted it paid in 3 months, no more. I have a 252 dollar debt from urgent care. I had pink eye...I KNEW I had pink eye, but I had to pay 252 for the doctor to confirm it, and write a prescription for 4 DOLLAR EYE DROPS. Four dollars. Seriously. A couple grand for blood testing, ultrasound, check ups and all that....just to be told I need help I can't afford.

Thank you America. I guess this is the thinning of the herd. Survival of who can afford to be the fittest. >.<

[Phoenix McHeit]

I have a 252 dollar debt from urgent care. I had pink eye...I KNEW I had pink eye, but I had to pay 252 for the doctor to confirm it, and write a prescription for 4 DOLLAR EYE DROPS. Four dollars.

Not to belittle your pain, sweetie... but maybe this info will help someone else.

My kiddos had pinkeye awhile ago. I knew what it was, so I went down to my local CVS and picked up a bottle of OTC drops for pinkeye. No Doc visit, nor scrip necessary.

[Alchemist23]

Not to belittle your pain, sweetie... but maybe this info will help someone else.

My kiddos had pinkeye awhile ago. I knew what it was, so I went down to my local CVS and picked up a bottle of OTC drops for pinkeye. No Doc visit, nor scrip necessary.

They have those?? ooooooo... I'll keep that in mind for next time. lol. Usually I can just wait for something like that to pass, but at the time, I was working in food service...and that's a big nono.

[Dizz]

A lot of pharmacies have a in-house nurse practicioner that will see you and write you prescriptions. It's really handy to only pay $60 to take care of an ear infection.

[Saucy Ria]

You gotta check out this blog! What a riot!!

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/