What's the difference....

[Ysobelle]

...between Atkins and South Beach? And is one easier or better than the other? And if so, why? And what are the best ways to learn about them?

[Ysobelle]

...between Atkins and South Beach? And is one easier or better than the other? And if so, why? And what are the best ways to learn about them?

[Athalia Jewel]

This may help:

http://www.internet-articles.com/nutrition-exercise/south-beach.php

[Athalia Jewel]

This may help:

http://www.internet-articles.com/nutrition-exercise/south-beach.php

[Absinthe d'Accalia]

After reading the South Beach diet book & checking out Atkins book, I'd definitely go for the South Beach if you're wanting to try something new. The doc that wrote the S.B. book is a cardiologist and was sick of his patients not doing well on the traditional food pyramid style of eating (low fat, high carb). He really stresses eating good veggies & lean meats/seafood, low-fat cheeses, fruits with fiber, red wine, using 'good' fats (olive oil) to help feel satiated, etc., but keeping the processed grain/pasta/sugar items to a minimum. Heart disease runs rampant on both sides of my family, so this style of eating is pretty intriguing to me. It seems similar to a Mediterranean diet.

I think we're going to see a boom in heart & kidney issues with the folks that follow the Atkins diet in the next decade. I don't see how eating meatmeatmeat smothered in cream sauce with blue cheese crumbles on top is going to be good for you in the long run. :roll:

[Absinthe d'Accalia]

After reading the South Beach diet book & checking out Atkins book, I'd definitely go for the South Beach if you're wanting to try something new. The doc that wrote the S.B. book is a cardiologist and was sick of his patients not doing well on the traditional food pyramid style of eating (low fat, high carb). He really stresses eating good veggies & lean meats/seafood, low-fat cheeses, fruits with fiber, red wine, using 'good' fats (olive oil) to help feel satiated, etc., but keeping the processed grain/pasta/sugar items to a minimum. Heart disease runs rampant on both sides of my family, so this style of eating is pretty intriguing to me. It seems similar to a Mediterranean diet.

I think we're going to see a boom in heart & kidney issues with the folks that follow the Atkins diet in the next decade. I don't see how eating meatmeatmeat smothered in cream sauce with blue cheese crumbles on top is going to be good for you in the long run. :roll:

[RichardMacHugely]

I think we're going to see a boom in heart & kidney issues with the folks that follow the Atkins diet in the next decade. I don't see how eating meatmeatmeat smothered in cream sauce with blue cheese crumbles on top is going to be good for you in the long run

Interestingly enough, the French eat a diet of meats and rich sauces that would send the average American cardiologist into apoplexy, and yet their rate of heart desease is much lower than ours. Must be all the red wine.

But the Atkins people have been backpedalling lately from the idea that you can eat all the meat and fats you want. Having read both Atkins and South Beach books, it strikes me that they are really fairly similar in theory and approach. Overall, I'd say SB is slightly better, though I personally haven't tried either one, what with me being the absolute perfect physical specimen and all.

[RichardMacHugely]

I think we're going to see a boom in heart & kidney issues with the folks that follow the Atkins diet in the next decade. I don't see how eating meatmeatmeat smothered in cream sauce with blue cheese crumbles on top is going to be good for you in the long run

Interestingly enough, the French eat a diet of meats and rich sauces that would send the average American cardiologist into apoplexy, and yet their rate of heart desease is much lower than ours. Must be all the red wine.

But the Atkins people have been backpedalling lately from the idea that you can eat all the meat and fats you want. Having read both Atkins and South Beach books, it strikes me that they are really fairly similar in theory and approach. Overall, I'd say SB is slightly better, though I personally haven't tried either one, what with me being the absolute perfect physical specimen and all.

[justLori]

Interestingly enough, the French eat a diet of meats and rich sauces that would send the average American cardiologist into apoplexy, and yet their rate of heart desease is much lower than ours. Must be all the red wine.


There are nights we do "French Dinner" because we want to, or are too lazy to cook. We get a small ham from the store, loaf of whole grain bread, brie, grapes and other fruits, and a bottle of nice red wine. When we have it, we finish off with the darkest chocolate we can find.

Interestingly, it doesn't affect our waistlines to indulge in the bread this way. As long as we drink wine with the bread, we seem to be okay (we're low-carbing). And leftover ham goes into omlettes in the morning.

It makes for a lovely dinner. :D We think this will translate to faire this year for lunches.

just Lori

[justLori]

Interestingly enough, the French eat a diet of meats and rich sauces that would send the average American cardiologist into apoplexy, and yet their rate of heart desease is much lower than ours. Must be all the red wine.


There are nights we do "French Dinner" because we want to, or are too lazy to cook. We get a small ham from the store, loaf of whole grain bread, brie, grapes and other fruits, and a bottle of nice red wine. When we have it, we finish off with the darkest chocolate we can find.

Interestingly, it doesn't affect our waistlines to indulge in the bread this way. As long as we drink wine with the bread, we seem to be okay (we're low-carbing). And leftover ham goes into omlettes in the morning.

It makes for a lovely dinner. :D We think this will translate to faire this year for lunches.

just Lori

[In Hiding]

After reading the South Beach diet book & checking out Atkins book, I'd definitely go for the South Beach if you're wanting to try something new. The doc that wrote the S.B. book is a cardiologist and was sick of his patients not doing well on the traditional food pyramid style of eating (low fat, high carb). He really stresses eating good veggies & lean meats/seafood, low-fat cheeses, fruits with fiber, red wine, using 'good' fats (olive oil) to help feel satiated, etc., but keeping the processed grain/pasta/sugar items to a minimum. Heart disease runs rampant on both sides of my family, so this style of eating is pretty intriguing to me. It seems similar to a Mediterranean diet.

I think we're going to see a boom in heart & kidney issues with the folks that follow the Atkins diet in the next decade. I don't see how eating meatmeatmeat smothered in cream sauce with blue cheese crumbles on top is going to be good for you in the long run. :roll:

I'm so proud of you! ;) Reading into it and everything! Woo hoo! I went on Phase one last weeka nd lost 3 more pounds! With only 7 more to go! :D

[In Hiding]

After reading the South Beach diet book & checking out Atkins book, I'd definitely go for the South Beach if you're wanting to try something new. The doc that wrote the S.B. book is a cardiologist and was sick of his patients not doing well on the traditional food pyramid style of eating (low fat, high carb). He really stresses eating good veggies & lean meats/seafood, low-fat cheeses, fruits with fiber, red wine, using 'good' fats (olive oil) to help feel satiated, etc., but keeping the processed grain/pasta/sugar items to a minimum. Heart disease runs rampant on both sides of my family, so this style of eating is pretty intriguing to me. It seems similar to a Mediterranean diet.

I think we're going to see a boom in heart & kidney issues with the folks that follow the Atkins diet in the next decade. I don't see how eating meatmeatmeat smothered in cream sauce with blue cheese crumbles on top is going to be good for you in the long run. :roll:

I'm so proud of you! ;) Reading into it and everything! Woo hoo! I went on Phase one last weeka nd lost 3 more pounds! With only 7 more to go! :D

[Saucy Ria]

I think we're going to see a boom in heart & kidney issues with the folks that follow the Atkins diet in the next decade. I don't see how eating meatmeatmeat smothered in cream sauce with blue cheese crumbles on top is going to be good for you in the long run

Interestingly enough, the French eat a diet of meats and rich sauces that would send the average American cardiologist into apoplexy, and yet their rate of heart desease is much lower than ours. Must be all the red wine.

But the Atkins people have been backpedalling lately from the idea that you can eat all the meat and fats you want. Having read both Atkins and South Beach books, it strikes me that they are really fairly similar in theory and approach. Overall, I'd say SB is slightly better, though I personally haven't tried either one, what with me being the absolute perfect physical specimen and all.

Dearest Richard....... could you please fill me in on the page number of dr atkins book where he says you can eat all the meat and fats you want?? In my book he repeatedly stresses care in the amounts of each you take in. MODERATION simply the only way....... no matter WHAT eating plan you choose to follow.

Nikki you've seen chris and i and you know what plan we chose after he did all the research. it ain't magic....... but it sure feels damn good!!

SEE YA IN A COUPLE DAYS!!!
love,
Ria

[Saucy Ria]

I think we're going to see a boom in heart & kidney issues with the folks that follow the Atkins diet in the next decade. I don't see how eating meatmeatmeat smothered in cream sauce with blue cheese crumbles on top is going to be good for you in the long run

Interestingly enough, the French eat a diet of meats and rich sauces that would send the average American cardiologist into apoplexy, and yet their rate of heart desease is much lower than ours. Must be all the red wine.

But the Atkins people have been backpedalling lately from the idea that you can eat all the meat and fats you want. Having read both Atkins and South Beach books, it strikes me that they are really fairly similar in theory and approach. Overall, I'd say SB is slightly better, though I personally haven't tried either one, what with me being the absolute perfect physical specimen and all.

Dearest Richard....... could you please fill me in on the page number of dr atkins book where he says you can eat all the meat and fats you want?? In my book he repeatedly stresses care in the amounts of each you take in. MODERATION simply the only way....... no matter WHAT eating plan you choose to follow.

Nikki you've seen chris and i and you know what plan we chose after he did all the research. it ain't magic....... but it sure feels damn good!!

SEE YA IN A COUPLE DAYS!!!
love,
Ria

[Morghana]

Dearest Richard....... could you please fill me in on the page number of dr atkins book where he says you can eat all the meat and fats you want?? In my book he repeatedly stresses care in the amounts of each you take in. MODERATION simply the only way....... no matter WHAT eating plan you choose to follow.

Nikki you've seen chris and i and you know what plan we chose after he did all the research. it ain't magic....... but it sure feels damn good!!


You're absolutely correct, Ria. The biggest key to the Atkins diet is moderation and elimination of refined sugar/white carbs--and exercise. I eat more veggies and salads now that I'm following the current iteration of "Atkins" than I EVER did on Weight Watchers. (And have dropped 37 lbs so far.... as well as seeing blood pressure, triglycerides and cholesterol all come down to well within the normal range).

My doctor is delighted, and is becoming a slightly grudging proponent of "doing Atkins". (His reticence stemmed from hearing the "all the meat and cream you want" crap.... he finally confessed he'd never actually READ the book and didn't know the specifics. I gave him a copy to educate him)

The bad press that Atkins gets is from those who harken back to his FIRST go-round in the diet realm, back in the 70's. At one point he did say you could do all the bacon, cream, eggs and meat you wanted. But that was 30 years ago. There's been more research, more knowledge gained and yet people are STILL repeating the same old tired misinformation about Atkins! :(

Like many diets, the "Atkins Plan" has evolved and changed and been refined. (Anyone who did Weight Watchers in the 70's wouldn't RECOGNIZE the program now... change is not a bad thing).

A good book that compares and contrasts a number of popular diets (that in one way or another limit carbs) is here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1575668955/002-3044099-1844827?v=glance

~M

[Isabella]

I was always concerned with Atkins, since lots of red meat and my system don't work. I also heard from a dietion we know that your suppose to MAX be on it six months. We had two friends that are going on three years.... Our doctor also commented on the amounts of people he sees with hypertention and high blood preasure in his office from Atkins.

It's about getting less Omega 9 and 6 and more Omega 3 fats, because they help us burn calories and fat. They are the "good fats" we need. Also having a multi vitamin everyday with Chromium in it, because that also is an energy booster and a fat burner.

I take two gell Omega 3 caplets (one with breakfast, one with dinner), to help digest my food better, but also to help me feel more "full", because the Omega 3's do just that. Look at the Italians with all the Olive Oil and Flax oil they eat. It's SOOO High in Omega threes it's nutty, but they all are pretty trim!

I read 7 Minutes in the Morning, and that was a fantastic diet and excersise program I might just try again. He discuses how you eat, and how if you excerise key groups for seven minutes each morning you get your body's energy stores burning all day long instead of 40 minutes at 6pm where your body is shutting down. The book made sense to me, check it out from the Library if you aren't sure it's for you, but I enjoyed it. :) He's very upbeat.

[Nevada]

Also the French eat in smaller portions than we do....Read an article in my Dr's office recently.

[Absinthe d'Accalia]

Nevada Writes:

Also the French eat in smaller portions than we do....Read an article in my Dr's office recently.

That is so true. Most Europeans are absolutely appalled at the quantity of food folks in the U.S. consume at a single meal.