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Eric McTavish
02-22-2005, 10:58 AM
:shock:
ok first sponge-bob now this...
I give up---I really do...
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=984da568-5035-4088-928d-de9f7f8b5edf
Shrek character is target of traditional values religious group
John Mckay
Canadian Press

Tuesday, February 22, 2005

TORONTO (CP) - The hit feature Shrek 2 joins the ranks of animated films to be "outed" by some Christian fundamentalists in the U.S., who charge that cross-dressing and transgender themes have made their way into the beloved kids' movie and warn parents to beware.

Although many people see the Oscar-nominated film as a humorous story about a green ogre and his true love, the Traditional Values Coalition has a different take on the animated feature.

"Shrek 2 is billed as harmless entertainment but contains subtle sexual messages," the coalition says on its website of the movie, a popular DVD rental. The group describes itself as a grassroots inter-denominational lobby with more than 43,000 member churches.

"Parents who are thinking about taking their children to see Shrek 2 may wish to consider the following."

The article then proceeds to describe one of the characters, an "evil" bartender (voiced by Larry King) who is a male-to-female transgender in transition and who expresses a sexual desire for Prince Charming.

In another identified scene, Shrek and Donkey need rescuing from a dungeon by Pinocchio and his nose, which is made to extend as an escape bridge by getting the wooden boy to lie about not wearing women's underwear.

Shrek 2 has plenty of company. Christian activists have also targeted SpongeBob SquarePants, Barney the dinosaur and Sesame Street's Bert & Ernie as children's characters who are conduits for a soft-on-gays message.

The Traditional Values Coalition report, A Gender Identity Disorder Goes Mainstream, raps DreamWorks, the maker of Shrek 2, for helping to promote crossdressing and transgenderism.

But Charles Keil, a film studies professor at the University of Toronto, says transgendered groups might also have reason to complain about being parodied.

"You have an image within a comic context that could be read either way," says Keil, who adds quickly that such humour is designed for parents anyway and goes way above the heads of the children in the audience.

"If the kids don't get it, it doesn't really matter."

Keil says the whole idea behind the Shrek movies is a general message of tolerance - that outward appearances don't matter and that it's what's underneath that counts - and such complaints defeat that larger, more important message.

"Targeting minuscule elements within a much larger work and then trying to extract from that some kind of argument that borders on the paranoid is really misconstruing the general aim of this entertainment."

So far, the coalition's "gaydar" doesn't seem to have picked up on DreamWorks' Shark Tale, in which a shark mafioso, voiced by Robert DeNiro, must come to terms with the fact he has a vegetarian son who likes to dress up as a dolphin.

But the Shrek accusation follows hot on the heels of other cases of animated characters being accused of infiltrating the minds of America's children with pro-gay messages, much to the detriment of traditional family values.

Branwen
02-22-2005, 11:24 AM
Geez, they forgot all about the personal trainer that the Fairie Godmother trys to pawn off & the Cross dressing wolf. Nor can we forget that Puss was caught in the possession of a "controled" substance.

"If the kids don't get it, it doesn't really matter."
As number of Faire performers state before the start of their shows. This is a PG 13 show. If your kids get the jokes, it's not OUR fault.

Lady Sarah
02-22-2005, 12:04 PM
This just goes to show you that if you look hard enough, you'll find *something* to complain/obsess/fret about - even if it's a needle in a haystack or perhaps not even there at all.

And re: the bartender? Open your eyes (your being the collective twits calling the bartender a crossgender homosexual) and see that the representation is of the Ugly Stepsister. When she first turned around, I nearly snarfed my coke in the theater. :snarf:

daBaroness
02-22-2005, 01:46 PM
I dunno - but when a person or group of people are intent upon finding a double-entendre, hidden meaning or other subliminally coercive message to something the rest of us merely find entertaining - I have to wonder if they're not leaning in the very ways they're accusing innocents of leaning.

In other words, as our dear boy Will so aptly put it, "methinks the (person, group, man, woman, yada, yada) doth protest too much.

I know - it's just Jerrry Falwell and his ilk trying to find a way to soften the blow when they finally come out of the closet. <snerk>

:flamed: :moon: :cheer: :oooh:

Lady Laurel
02-22-2005, 02:07 PM
You know its just rediculous. My nieces ( 4 grade) love shrek. I have seen the movies several times. They also love sponge bob. I think kids are tolerant to all kinds of things and look past alot of adult crap.

Cyranno DeBoberac
02-22-2005, 02:48 PM
This thread and the other one makes me realize that there's never a nice pack of hungry lions around when you need one.

:roll:

AreannaRose
02-22-2005, 04:10 PM
Anything can be twisted into deviance given enough time and effort. Many take pride in doing so on a daily basis. What happened to the idea of treating others as you would like to be treated? Oh, wait - I got it...the rest of that is "as long as they are like you and fall into the mainstream of life, whatever that might be today". I have no patience with people like this coalition and they really need to find a way to enjoy life IMHO!

Galleywench
02-22-2005, 09:19 PM
Well folks, my answer to this is the same as someone here mentioned in another thread with a similar theme...if it offends don't watch it.
I for one thought the humor was outstanding, I adore double entendres and my kids liked the music. As for exposing my kids to cross dressing animals...well, we've had our share of "special" customers at the shoppe!

Lennie
02-22-2005, 09:25 PM
It obvious that this is the result of too much thinking. I can't count how many times secret, hidden things have been found in children's movie and I always have to laugh. Honostly, I would have never thought about any of these things, and I'm sure the children watching it would not say to their mother "Is there something wrong with the bad wolf because he's wearing a girls' nightshirt?" I just don't get it; I know there are times when I need to complain about something, but this is a little too crazy.

Alianne
02-22-2005, 11:30 PM
Geez, they forgot all about the personal trainer that the Fairie Godmother trys to pawn off & the Cross dressing wolf. Nor can we forget that Puss was caught in the possession of a "controled" substance.

"If the kids don't get it, it doesn't really matter."
As number of Faire performers state before the start of their shows. This is a PG 13 show. If your kids get the jokes, it's not OUR fault.

Well, the 'cross dressing wolf' is from the original fairy tale -- the wolf dresses in Grandma's nightgown trying to fool Little Red Riding Hood into thinking he's really Grandma....

But jeez...I'm surprised they didn't go on about Puss and masturbation -- he *was* caught licking himself, after all.... ;)

Or jumping on what I refer to as The Three Little Wenches who a) attempt to get Shrek to commit adultery.....at the very least b) attempt to lure him into pre-maritial sex......

I mean, if they're going to See Hidden Agendas, they should at least try to see them all. Why pick and choose?

::sarcastometer off now::

Absinthe d'Accalia
02-23-2005, 09:39 AM
Cyranno Writes:

This thread and the other one makes me realize that there's never a nice pack of hungry lions around when you need one.

:snarf:

Lady Laurel
02-23-2005, 11:40 AM
It obvious that this is the result of too much thinking

Well nobodys ever faulted me for that before. :lol: :wink:

AshleyTheWench
03-20-2005, 08:24 PM
;shakes hed: thats just sad. What the heck is wrong with society these days? I recall um...in december, like right after Phantom of the Opera came ou in theaters, that there was a HUGE article in the papers warning people not to go see phantom because twenty people after seeing the movie had to go see shrinks. WTF?

There will always be an activist group targeting something. Its a sad fact. I've had people on my college campus throw rocks at me for reading harry potter because they think its statnic.

Nope, not everyone will be pleased. ever.

Ysobelle
03-20-2005, 08:27 PM
;shakes hed: thats just sad. What the heck is wrong with society these days? I recall um...in december, like right after Phantom of the Opera came ou in theaters, that there was a HUGE article in the papers warning people not to go see phantom because twenty people after seeing the movie had to go see shrinks. WTF?



For WHAT?

AshleyTheWench
03-20-2005, 08:32 PM
maybe they realized they had obessive stalker tendicy's, wore masks, suduced people through song and choked rivils with a punjab lasso?

or maybey they are attention whores and hypocondriacts.

I saw that movie 21 times and I felt just fine.

Lady Laurel
03-21-2005, 11:15 AM
There will always be an activist group targeting something. Its a sad fact. I've had people on my college campus throw rocks at me for reading harry potter because they think its statnic.

Threw rocks at you :?:

AshleyTheWench
03-21-2005, 01:54 PM
There will always be an activist group targeting something. Its a sad fact. I've had people on my college campus throw rocks at me for reading harry potter because they think its statnic.

Threw rocks at you :?:

Yup threw rocks. It shows how juvinille some people are.