MaidMarion
03-12-2009, 12:38 PM
OK, I'm a bit torn on this and not really sure what side I'm on. On the one hand, when I was a girl scout, (not that long ago) we always had issues with the unspoken rule of not going on one another's "turf". i.e.: if you know another girl scout lives in a given area, you just don't go knocking on doors in her block. Believe me, the claws came out when one girl would go to a house in her area and get told "I already bought from..." When we found out who that girl was, we needed a ref at the next meeting. So I do see the argument the she could be taking away from other girls.
On the other hand, move with the times. It was her idea, I'd feel differant if this was one of those live through their kid parents that set this all up by themselves.
And sorry, I have to throw this in....They named their kid "Wild Freeborn"?
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The Cookie Crumbles
By banning online sales, are the Girl Scouts failing our daughters?
When 8-year-old Wild Freeborn became a Girl Scout earlier this year, she had a simple goal: sell 12,000 boxes of the organization's addictive cookies. She wanted to earn enough money to send her entire troop (all new scouts) to summer camp in Brevard, N.C. After going door to door in her neighborhood, visiting stores in downtown Asheville, N.C., and consulting her parents about her precocious business plan, she asked her tech-minded dad, Bryan Freeborn, "Can't we use what you do at work?" referencing his job as the chief operating officer of TopFloorStudio, a Web design and development firm.
In late January, they posted a YouTube video, starring Freeborn in Girl Scout gear, touting her straightforward sales pitch. "Buy cookies! And they're yummy!" Soon after, they set up an online order system that was limited to customers within their local area (so Freeborn could personally deliver them). While her online sales strategy took hold, she continued peddling cookies the traditional way—going door to door and working booths at the local grocery store. Within two weeks, more than 700 orders for Thin Mints, Caramel DeLites and Peanut Butter Patties reached the Freeborns solely through the online form.
Considering that the national Girl Scout Cookie Program bills itself as the largest program to teach entrepreneurship to young girls, this e-commerce strategy seems especially savvy. But some families in the community felt threatened by the Freeborn's unconventional efforts, likely because various prizes (including camp vouchers, stuffed animals and apparel) are given out by local councils to girls who sell a certain amount of boxes. "If you have an individual girl that creates a Web presence, she can suck the opportunity from other girls," says Matthew Markie, a parent who remains involved in Girl Scouts even though his three daughters are well into their 20s. Markie, and other disapproving parents, brought the Freeborn's site to the attention of local Girl Scout officials who told the Freeborns to take down their YouTube video and reminded the family of the organization's longstanding prohibition of online sales. According to the FAQ on the national organization’s Web site, "The safety of our girls is always our chief concern. Girl Scout Cookie activities are designed to be face-to-face learning experiences for the girls."
The relative safety of using the Internet versus knocking on strangers' doors is debatable. "First of all, selling things online is no less safe," says Peter Fader, a director of the Interactive Media Initiative at Wharton, the business school at the University of Pennsylvania. "And if we want to teach our kids to be able to operate in society as responsible adults, online savviness is going to be part of the overall portfolio."
In addition to losing a teaching moment, Fader says the Girl Scouts are missing out on a sales opportunity. "It wouldn't even be a transition—it'd be an expansion," he says, noting that the program could allow cookie sales online through personal Web pages hosted by area councils. With some troops reporting sales down by as much as 19 percent this year, getting online would be a simple step that could invigorate the locally minded fundraising goals of the program. "Just because you go online, that doesn't mean you're going to stop engaging with the girls selling in town." Look at online retailing, which never killed the mall; or Avon Cosmetics, which, though once peddled door-to-door, can now be bought online too.
That message isn't lost on the national Girl Scouts association, but the group's digital strategy seems confused and behind the times. Michelle Tompkins, a spokeswoman, says, "Girl Scouts of the USA is not shunning the Internet … though we still have to figure out how to do this." Tompkins notes that the marketing of cookies is allowed online, but sales are still verboten. She also highlighted a few other online advances, including the recent creation of a Thin Mints Facebook page and the registering of girlscoutcookies.org, a Web site with information on how to buy cookies from local troops.
On the girls' level, few of the badges that scouts can earn involve technology, and of those that do, the requirements are paltry: the "Computer Smarts" requirement for young girls (or "Brownies") only requires that they visit three Web sites. For older girls, the CyberGirl Scout badge is earned in part by sending an e-mail. "These skills are at a level I'm sure many girls can already surpass," says Andrea Matwyshyn, a colleague of Fader's at Wharton.
Back in Asheville, Bryan Freeborn is committed to teaching his daughter what the Scouts won't allow. "We had to talk with Wild about the ethics of cookie sales, what you can and cannot do," he says. "We decided that as long as we weren't taking money over the Internet, we weren't doing anything wrong." But that hasn't stopped parents like Markie from arguing that many in rural North Carolina don't have access to computers, and that Wild has an unfair advantage because she can easily comb several counties with her Web order form. Once the sales season is over next month, Markiesays that he'll approach the national organization and demand a clarification of the policy. "The Web sales create the perception of unfairness," he says, citing the Girl Scouts Cookie Program guide.
But maybe a different Girl Scout maxim should come to mind: "The early bird always gets the worm."
On the other hand, move with the times. It was her idea, I'd feel differant if this was one of those live through their kid parents that set this all up by themselves.
And sorry, I have to throw this in....They named their kid "Wild Freeborn"?
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The Cookie Crumbles
By banning online sales, are the Girl Scouts failing our daughters?
When 8-year-old Wild Freeborn became a Girl Scout earlier this year, she had a simple goal: sell 12,000 boxes of the organization's addictive cookies. She wanted to earn enough money to send her entire troop (all new scouts) to summer camp in Brevard, N.C. After going door to door in her neighborhood, visiting stores in downtown Asheville, N.C., and consulting her parents about her precocious business plan, she asked her tech-minded dad, Bryan Freeborn, "Can't we use what you do at work?" referencing his job as the chief operating officer of TopFloorStudio, a Web design and development firm.
In late January, they posted a YouTube video, starring Freeborn in Girl Scout gear, touting her straightforward sales pitch. "Buy cookies! And they're yummy!" Soon after, they set up an online order system that was limited to customers within their local area (so Freeborn could personally deliver them). While her online sales strategy took hold, she continued peddling cookies the traditional way—going door to door and working booths at the local grocery store. Within two weeks, more than 700 orders for Thin Mints, Caramel DeLites and Peanut Butter Patties reached the Freeborns solely through the online form.
Considering that the national Girl Scout Cookie Program bills itself as the largest program to teach entrepreneurship to young girls, this e-commerce strategy seems especially savvy. But some families in the community felt threatened by the Freeborn's unconventional efforts, likely because various prizes (including camp vouchers, stuffed animals and apparel) are given out by local councils to girls who sell a certain amount of boxes. "If you have an individual girl that creates a Web presence, she can suck the opportunity from other girls," says Matthew Markie, a parent who remains involved in Girl Scouts even though his three daughters are well into their 20s. Markie, and other disapproving parents, brought the Freeborn's site to the attention of local Girl Scout officials who told the Freeborns to take down their YouTube video and reminded the family of the organization's longstanding prohibition of online sales. According to the FAQ on the national organization’s Web site, "The safety of our girls is always our chief concern. Girl Scout Cookie activities are designed to be face-to-face learning experiences for the girls."
The relative safety of using the Internet versus knocking on strangers' doors is debatable. "First of all, selling things online is no less safe," says Peter Fader, a director of the Interactive Media Initiative at Wharton, the business school at the University of Pennsylvania. "And if we want to teach our kids to be able to operate in society as responsible adults, online savviness is going to be part of the overall portfolio."
In addition to losing a teaching moment, Fader says the Girl Scouts are missing out on a sales opportunity. "It wouldn't even be a transition—it'd be an expansion," he says, noting that the program could allow cookie sales online through personal Web pages hosted by area councils. With some troops reporting sales down by as much as 19 percent this year, getting online would be a simple step that could invigorate the locally minded fundraising goals of the program. "Just because you go online, that doesn't mean you're going to stop engaging with the girls selling in town." Look at online retailing, which never killed the mall; or Avon Cosmetics, which, though once peddled door-to-door, can now be bought online too.
That message isn't lost on the national Girl Scouts association, but the group's digital strategy seems confused and behind the times. Michelle Tompkins, a spokeswoman, says, "Girl Scouts of the USA is not shunning the Internet … though we still have to figure out how to do this." Tompkins notes that the marketing of cookies is allowed online, but sales are still verboten. She also highlighted a few other online advances, including the recent creation of a Thin Mints Facebook page and the registering of girlscoutcookies.org, a Web site with information on how to buy cookies from local troops.
On the girls' level, few of the badges that scouts can earn involve technology, and of those that do, the requirements are paltry: the "Computer Smarts" requirement for young girls (or "Brownies") only requires that they visit three Web sites. For older girls, the CyberGirl Scout badge is earned in part by sending an e-mail. "These skills are at a level I'm sure many girls can already surpass," says Andrea Matwyshyn, a colleague of Fader's at Wharton.
Back in Asheville, Bryan Freeborn is committed to teaching his daughter what the Scouts won't allow. "We had to talk with Wild about the ethics of cookie sales, what you can and cannot do," he says. "We decided that as long as we weren't taking money over the Internet, we weren't doing anything wrong." But that hasn't stopped parents like Markie from arguing that many in rural North Carolina don't have access to computers, and that Wild has an unfair advantage because she can easily comb several counties with her Web order form. Once the sales season is over next month, Markiesays that he'll approach the national organization and demand a clarification of the policy. "The Web sales create the perception of unfairness," he says, citing the Girl Scouts Cookie Program guide.
But maybe a different Girl Scout maxim should come to mind: "The early bird always gets the worm."