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Eric McTavish
07-26-2005, 08:24 AM
found here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4713323.stm)

Ancient phallus unearthed in cave
By Jonathan Amos
BBC News science reporter

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A sculpted and polished phallus found in a German cave is among the earliest representations of male sexuality ever uncovered, researchers say.

The 20cm-long, 3cm-wide stone object, which is dated to be about 28,000 years old, was buried in the famous Hohle Fels Cave near Ulm in the Swabian Jura.

The prehistoric "tool" was reassembled from 14 fragments of siltstone.

Its life size suggests it may well have been used as a sex aid by its Ice Age makers, scientists report.

"In addition to being a symbolic representation of male genitalia, it was also at times used for knapping flints," explained Professor Nicholas Conard, from the department of Early Prehistory and Quaternary Ecology, at Tübingen University.

"There are some areas where it has some very typical scars from that," he told the BBC News website.

Researchers believe the object's distinctive form and etched rings around one end mean there can be little doubt as to its symbolic nature.

"It's highly polished; it's clearly recognisable," said Professor Conard.

The Tübingen team working Hohle Fels already had 13 fractured parts of the phallus in storage, but it was only with the discovery of a 14th fragment last year that the team was able finally to put the "jigsaw" together.

The different stone sections were all recovered from a well-dated ash layer in the cave complex associated with the activities of modern humans (not their pre-historic "cousins", the Neanderthals).

The dig site is one of the most remarkable in central Europe. Hohle Fels stands more than 500m above sea level in the Ach River Valley and has produced thousands of Upper Palaeolithic items.


Female forms, such as the 30,000-year-old Venus of Willendorf are more common
Some have been truly exquisite in their sophistication and detail, such as a 30,000-year-old avian figurine crafted from mammoth ivory. It is believed to be one of the earliest representations of a bird in the archaeological record.

There are other stone objects known to science that are obviously phallic symbols and are slightly older - from France and Morocco, of particular note. But to have any representation of male genitalia from this time period is highly unusual.

"Female representations with highly accentuated sexual attributes are very well documented at many sites, but male representations are very, very rare," explained Professor Conard.

Current evidence indicates that the Swabian Jura of southwestern Germany was one of the central regions of cultural innovation after the arrival of modern humans in Europe some 40,000 years ago.

The Hohle Fels phallus will go on show at Blaubeuren prehistoric museum in an exhibition called Ice Art - Clearly Male.

Lady Sarah
07-26-2005, 08:50 AM
found here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4713323.stm)

The 20cm-long, 3cm-wide stone object, which is dated to be about 28,000 years old, was buried in the famous Hohle Fels Cave near Ulm in the Swabian Jura.

The prehistoric "tool" was reassembled from 14 fragments of siltstone.

Its life size suggests it may well have been used as a sex aid by its Ice Age makers, scientists report.

8" long by 1.25" wide... healthy bugger...

[quote]"In addition to being a symbolic representation of male genitalia, it was also at times used for knapping flints," explained Professor Nicholas Conard, from the department of Early Prehistory and Quaternary Ecology, at Tübingen University.

"There are some areas where it has some very typical scars from that," he told the BBC News website.

has this image of Stiffler striking a match on his wang... and busts out laughing...

Researchers believe the object's distinctive form and etched rings around one end mean there can be little doubt as to its symbolic nature.

"It's highly polished; it's clearly recognisable," said Professor Conard.

must.... resist... straightline... :shock:
BAHAHAHAHAAA gives new meaning to the phrase "polishing your cannon", eh?
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

The Tübingen team working Hohle Fels already had 13 fractured parts of the phallus in storage, but it was only with the discovery of a 14th fragment last year that the team was able finally to put the "jigsaw" together.

and I thought the polished comment was easy...

The Hohle Fels phallus will go on show at Blaubeuren prehistoric museum in an exhibition called Ice Art - Clearly Male.

No comment... just... no comment... :rofl:

ahem, scientifically speaking, the discovery is fascinating. but from a 12 year old PoV... :lol: I wonder how long before Adam and Eve have their own Holy Feel Phallus. ;)

Pathos
07-26-2005, 10:02 AM
C'mon. Not sure I buy this. It's a polished stone. Big deal. Looks like the stones Native Americans use to roll out corn into tortillas.

Why do I see the scientists working on this as some total geek "never-get-laid" guys who...when they're not looking at artifacts...are constantly downloading porn?

I hear the next thing they're gonna' study is some goat skins that're sewn together. They think it's a 20,000 year old blow up doll. 8)

Cyranno DeBoberac
07-26-2005, 01:52 PM
I'm just waiting for the Texas AG to indict the scientists for possesion of a sex toy. :)

Jessa
07-26-2005, 03:32 PM
I'm pretty good a seeing phallic images in things, but that stone artifact doesn't all that "unmistakable" to me. Are they sure the "etched rings" aren't due to a weak band in the rock, or were caused somehow by the way in which the tool may have originally been used?

MaidenFaeSnow
07-26-2005, 09:13 PM
Ya know, a couple years ago I was taking a Women in Ancient History class in college. I was almost shocked to open one of my text books only to find page after page full of photos of women using these items. Some of them were even made of....wood :shock: Imagine the torture of a splinter from one of those!!

Some of them were even double sided :shock: :shock:

WenchLadyKate
07-26-2005, 09:15 PM
See? Even back then it was the germans... :lol:

Taranach-of-IcePhoenix
08-02-2005, 06:04 PM
I'm pretty good a seeing phallic images in things, but that stone artifact doesn't all that "unmistakable" to me. Are they sure the "etched rings" aren't due to a weak band in the rock, or were caused somehow by the way in which the tool may have originally been used?

Perhaps the word "unmistakable" is a bit strong for the item in question, however, early carvings and depictions were often in their "simplest" form. Going to the extent of actually carving the glans to be properly shaped and sized relative to the rest would involve much more sophisticated carving techniques.

As for the "etched rings" being a "weak band" in the rock, if that were the case, it would have shattered at that point long before it's useful life would have been over, *especially* if it were used for flint knapping. Flint knapping involves repeated striking or hard pressing of the shear lines of flint or associated stones. The fact that the carved rings only appear in one continuous line completely around the stone, also indicates that it was a 'designed' feature rather than a by product of use.

Just a little anthropological and engineering viewpoint from one who flint knaps as well as works in design.

Taranach