Ala. Judge Wears Ten Commandments on Robe

[Cyranno DeBoberac]

We will be judged by the jewels on our crown that we lay at the feet of Jesus.

Okaaaaaaaaay.....

['Nise]

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Oh and as for the Asshat comment … since when does standing up for what you believe in make you an Asshat? Ignorance is showing… and it is so terrible sad to be so closed minded. I am open to what ever comes my way. I just feel that is way too harsh and a passing of judgment, which is not your or my place. We will all be judged soon enough…. We will be judged by the jewels on our crown that we lay at the feet of Jesus.

Standing up for your beliefs does not make you an asshat...sneaking in an Illegal monument into a courthouse in the middle of the night then attempting to utilize your power as a State/Federal Judge to ignore the Constitution to the point that you are forcibly removed from your position makes you an asshat.
Of course that is my opinion.

Not to mention the thousands of dollars in fines that Moore caused for the state of Alabama.

Separation of church and state is just that. Now if he wants to emblazon the rede, the tenants of the koran etc etc he would have a more legal case.

I just heard a very compelling bit on NPR today and this discussion here exemplifies this. There are people out there who think that as a christian the world or some huge faction is "at War" with them. How many people, I couldn't tell you.

That shocks me. Partially because as a pagan I've spent quite a few years dealing with the people who either ridicule me because of my beliefs or set out to convert me to their beliefs. It's been amusing at times, pathetic at others, and infuriating and hurtful. The crux comes down to this, for those individuals it is a lack of respect that I can make my own decisions and that they can be reasoned, well thought out, and morally right and still not agree with the attempted converters point of view.

I will never tell you that the hubris does not come from many sides, christian, pagan, jewish, islamic... there are extremist for each flavor of divinity. However it boils down to this, you do not have to agree with my principles, moral code, or path to the devine. You do have to respect that as a thinking person with the freedom of religion that I do not have to agree with you and let the subject lie. Rest assured, I shall accord you the same favor.

Love
‘Nise

PS the “you” in the previous statements is not intended to any one person, rather a general rant to all those who are in the line of conversion.

[Muireadach - PirateRogue]

We will all be judged soon enough…. We will be judged by the jewels on our crown that we lay at the feet of Jesus.


Ok now that you are all ready to send me to the lions...

:D

My particular problem with your comment and the Very reason anyone reading this comment can Safely assume your christian is that you say we will be all judged by Jesus.

The founding fathers didn't write the Constitution based on the ten commandments. As many people have already posted about.

[Psyche]

I do not understand why so many people assume that the government of the United States is at all founded on Christianity.

John Adams (the second President of the United States) signed the Treaty of Tripoli (June 7, 1797). Article 11 states:
“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”

Some quotes from our founding fathers that I find interesting and thought provoking...

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
Thomas Paine

The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes; fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson

I have examined all the known superstitions of the Word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world ...

The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind ... to filch wealth and power to themselves. [They], in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
Thomas Jefferson

Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
Thomas Paine

As the contempt of the religion of a country by ridiculing any of its ceremonies, or affronting its ministers or votaries, has ever been deeply resented, you are to be particularly careful to restrain every officer from such imprudence and folly, and to punish every instance of it. On the other hand, as far as lies in your power, you are to protect and support the free exercise of religion of the country, and the undisturbed enjoyment of the rights of conscience in religious matters, with your utmost influence and authority.
George Washington, to Benedict Arnold, September 14, 1775 from The Washington papers edited by Saul Padover

...I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.
George Washington, to United Baptists Churches of Virginia, May, 1789 from The Washington papers edited by Saul Padover

From Benjamin Franklin’s autobiography, p. 66:
“...Some books against Deism fell into my hands....It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quote to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations, in short, I soon became a thorough Deist.”

James Madison (the fourth President of the United States):
“Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”

Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments:
“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise....During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.”
James Madison

From The Age of Reason:
“The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion.”
Thomas Paine

“What is it the Bible teaches us? — rapine, cruelty, and murder.”
Thomas Paine

“It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.”
Thomas Paine

From Religion of the American Enlightenment:
“Denominated a Deist, the reality of which I have never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian.”
Ethan Allen

[Psyche]

George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington Championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray (a universalist who denied the existence of hell) was invited to become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned Washington for his dismissal. Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washinton uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance.
From:
George Washington and Religion by Paul F. Boller Jr., pp. 16, 87, 88, 108, 113, 121, 127 (1963, Southern Methodist University Press, Dallas, TX)


"One of the embarrassing problems for the early nineteenth-century champions of the Christian faith was that not one of the first six Presidents of the United States was an orthodox Christian."
--The Encyclopedia Brittanica, 1968, p. 420

[Eric McTavish]

I have a feeling that this debate has died... too bad could have been a fun one too.

[Ysobelle]

Hey, Eric-- the Quakers weren't the ones off the Mayflower. They came for religious freedom, and they dressed soberly, but they weren't the Puritans. The Quakers came over later.

[Eric McTavish]

Hey, Eric-- the Quakers weren't the ones off the Mayflower. They came for religious freedom, and they dressed soberly, but they weren't the Puritans. The Quakers came over later.

whoups your right my statment should have been Puritians not Quakers...good catch...but the rest of that statment stands...
BTW did you know that the Puritans (Pilgrims) Did NOT celerbrate Christmas... they vieved it as a pagan Holiday taken over by the Church as a day of excess... LOL

[ambar]

whoups your right my statment should have been Puritians not Quakers...good catch...but the rest of that statment stands...
BTW did you know that the Puritans (Pilgrims) Did NOT celerbrate Christmas... they vieved it as a pagan Holiday taken over by the Church as a day of excess... LOL

You're right there. The Puritans did not celebrate any holidays. The holidays we have now were added back in later in our history.

[Margaret]

But my problem is #1 The have no other god bit... after all I'm not Christian why does a Judge have to right to tell me who I "should" worship? How could I a non-christian feel I have any hope for a fair trial by a judge who holds his god's laws over the laws of the land?
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Eric,

I do not think the judge is saying who you or anyone else in his court should worship. It's a statement of what his beliefs are. Also, I don't believe they belong in the Court. If he prayed in his chambers to whichever diety he chooses to give him guidance and wisdom to do what is right and good in accordance with the rule of law, I have no issue with that. However, once in the court room, the only 'higher order' he should attend to is the law books.